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Prodigy · Post by **Prodigy** » 26 Apr 2012, 00:13

hI guys.. i like to share with you a new project..

Truespace plus vray..

For the plant i used ivy generator LINK

i need to add grass texture, furniture trees etc..etc..
Comments are welcome..

Peter · Post by **Peter** » 26 Apr 2012, 00:34

It's great now and it's going to be awesome when you're done:)

Finis · Post by **Finis** » 26 Apr 2012, 01:02

Glad to see your work again! It has been too long.

Prodigy · Post by **Prodigy** » 26 Apr 2012, 01:23

Thanks guys.. yes i'm sorry.. work and family demands lot of time.. winter is coming here and hope to get some relaxing time in front the computer..

This is my todo list:
All windows - Made
Exterior Balcony - Made
Entrance Gate
Interior Doors
Balcony needs a floor Texture
Model the street
Kitchen
Furniture
Lights
Trees
Add Cars and People

Lot to do.. keep in touch

froo · Post by **froo** » 26 Apr 2012, 01:56

When can I move in? Sweeeeeeeet!
Say, Augusto, is this with a beta version of VRay (the free beta), or the paid-for version?

Prodigy · Post by **Prodigy** » 26 Apr 2012, 02:15

Jason, this is the beta vray version.. in fact is the same release version but without the dll bug.. in fact the fix came from this vray version

Glass bug as usual.. but i found a workaround and it's using transparency and mirror to create glass.. you don't have transmission but for windows is just fine..

PD_: too much in fact LOL

froo · Post by **froo** » 26 Apr 2012, 03:03

Do you have that workaround documented, Augusto?
man those pics look good!

MikomDude · Post by **MikomDude** » 26 Apr 2012, 04:25

The Ivy generator looks fun. Very useful

RAYMAN · Post by **RAYMAN** » 26 Apr 2012, 06:30

Great to see you back and modeling ! Looks good !

Peter

Prodigy · Post by **Prodigy** » 26 Apr 2012, 16:07

Good morning!

Jason: Not documented but i can explain you now how this workaround works..
Take the mirror effect to 10 and then apply a transparency value... something like 0.1 will do the trick.

I found this way to make glass trying to find a solution for the glass bug-.

Here is a render test between the vray glass and the fake glass and the scene for tests..

Pros: Eliminates the glow from the vray glass bug..
fake glass keep the alpha channel.. so that's very important for post process..
Do the job especially for windows etc..

Cons: transmission is not supported.

hope that helps..

Prodigy · Post by **Prodigy** » 26 Apr 2012, 18:15

Working in the interiors..

Glossy material and one Area Lights on each window.

I see the outside walls a bit green due the bounce from the green grass, i can fix that before the final render..
I need to paint the grass as plain white, calculate the GI, then repaint the floor and load the Gi instead calculate..

Draise · Post by **Draise** » 26 Apr 2012, 18:57

Looks amazing! Love the lighting! And it looks like your thumbnail was from a thread we lost!

Prodigy · Post by **Prodigy** » 26 Apr 2012, 19:49

Thanks! glad you like it..

I was thinking on make a set of tutorials for architectual viz.. Speed modeling Workflows, Lighting, Shading and Rendering...

Will take some time to make it but will be very easy to follow and as usual, will not depend on your 3d app, will just open you your mind to how to get stuff in a simple way but functional.

I still missing Truespace, it has so much power under the hood that is sad to see it discontinued..

I did not see any other app with so much potential..

Regards!

RAYMAN · Post by **RAYMAN** » 27 Apr 2012, 08:17

Prodigy wrote:
I did not see any other app with so much potential..

Regards!

For the architectural stuff Sketchup has a lot more potential.....
its much easier to use and you can snap to planes and use and store everything as a component....
Since you can also use the free version and there is an exporter for Vray..
its worth a try...
Peter

Prodigy · Post by **Prodigy** » 27 Apr 2012, 13:17

Yes i know that.. yesterday i was watching some good vray for sketchup tutorials on youtube.. very cool..
i tried Sketchup but i don't like it at all. i know it has potential, but it doesn't look good..

By far the most good looking soft is modo, but i still holding TS as DA! 3d app for my needs..
You know i use Truespace since 98 i think.. its a loong time learning a 3d app, and in this world, everyone make different ui's so it's very difficult to relearn how others..

i'm also starting to use Blender, 2.6 is better than the old 2.4, the UI is much better.. and now doesn't look for aliens! AT LAST!

Now has Cycles that is pretty awesome.. Cycles is like Vray Realtime.. but for free! so if you have a good GPU with cuda (NVIDIA ONLY) you can do amazing renders in real time..

Check this vid

Draise · Post by **Draise** » 27 Apr 2012, 15:46

I tried it on ATI cards here at work, and had no problems playing around with it. It was slower than the video tho!

pugman 1 · Post by **pugman 1** » 27 Apr 2012, 16:23

I also cant get on with skechup. and i do have modo 501 but out of all the apps
blender is becoming my favorite it has everything modling ,rigging, rendering animation ,and a game engine.
ill addmit that truespace is still the quickest modeler going but blender is still very allive and free.
Also the latest vue is out 10.5 .its still the best app for photo realistic pics , and it just get
better and better like z brush.

marcel · Post by **marcel** » 27 Apr 2012, 16:32

The most important is if YOU become better and better.

Prodigy · Post by **Prodigy** » 27 Apr 2012, 18:55

Draise wrote:I tried it on ATI cards here at work, and had no problems playing around with it. It was slower than the video tho!

Draise, you can use cycles on any, the problem is that you are using the CPU instead the GPU that's why is not that fast (btw, i think also the video is speed up).. check some tutorials how about change cpu to gpu, will go 5 times faster than using the CPU.. but (far as i know) there's no feature like for ati cards..

I'm agree with you guys, blender is taking good color, but still difficult for me to model with..
So i'm modeling on Truespace, Exported to OBJ with jason's plugin and then imported on blender.. is not a bad workflow thinking i can use a blender 64bits to render large scenes..

Let's see.. by now, my top top top app is truespace..

Draise · Post by **Draise** » 27 Apr 2012, 19:40

Prodigy wrote:Draise, you can use cycles on any, the problem is that you are using the CPU instead the GPU that's why is not that fast (btw, i think also the video is speed up).. check some tutorials how about change cpu to gpu, will go 5 times faster than using the CPU.. but (far as i know) there's no feature like for ati cards..

Oh that's good to know. It wasn't bad on my work 8 core machine!!!

I've been reading up on the OpenCL version, and prospects of that side of GPU coding, and I think I'll wait till it hits up OpenCL a bit better!!! Blender looks promising indeed..

Finis · Post by **Finis** » 27 Apr 2012, 20:15

marcel wrote:The most important is if YOU become better and better.

Yes!

The latest Modo would be my dream app. but Blender is looking better to me too. Can't beat the price, it has the power, and seems here to stay. Not so easy to learn or use? Well, I'm willing to learn Messiah Studio so why not Blender too?

Finis · Post by **Finis** » 28 Apr 2012, 01:20

Prodigy, will building be put on a photograph or have 3D surroundings or what?

bitkar · Post by **bitkar** » 30 Apr 2012, 23:22

veeery nice, as usuall.. thanks for the Ivy Generator! its awesome (i mean the results, i have to check it how its working)

btw: what free beta of vray? Where to get it? Did i miss something??? i have only vray 1.5.3 for tS, is there something newer than this?

Prodigy · Post by **Prodigy** » 02 May 2012, 02:08

A new render from the interior..

I'll send this to the customer as a demo to know what he think.. if everything is fine, i'll add more details to the scene..

Now about vray.. Vray 1.5.3 was the release version.. but before was another for betatesters.. In fact it is 99% the same than the released by caligari.. But maybe you remember the last vray cannot be installed on truespace 7.6b..(very smart move) so tiles released a patch.. Once caligari released that broken version of vray i noticed that was a problem was a dll.. so the patch use the dll from the beta version.. I use the beta instead the released just i don't want to run patches

but has the same glass bug etc..etc..

Stan is developing a Vray exporter for Vray Standalone, i tested time ago but now i had some issues with the installation so i have to talk with him to see what to do to get vray standalone running on my pc and test it again..

will work in the same way as Blender Vray exporter but for truespace workspace..

About this particular scene.. there is 1 global illumination, 4 area lights on each window.. The Spotlights are a custom made proyector lights that are using Clinton's IES lights plugin and use target to a null object to know exactly where is pointing every light..

Post process with some Screen filter.. and nothing else.. Ho yes! 6 directional lights without casting shadows to make brighter the interior..

Now it's time to do the bedrooms and improve the exterior..

bitkar · Post by **bitkar** » 02 May 2012, 08:14

i got it now... i have the 7.61 vray patch so i have the most recent available version of vray for tS... thanks for clearing it up! now i know :)

about your image - its really professional work. No issues about it whatsoever. You just know how to use tS :)

Prodigy · Post by **Prodigy** » 02 May 2012, 14:18

Thanks you very much.. i was very frustrated with this render because i didn't like it, i tested many times but doesn't look realistic, but finally i think now looks good and i'm very happy with..

Draise · Post by **Draise** » 02 May 2012, 17:11

It's a very good render! I like it much!

Prodigy · Post by **Prodigy** » 07 May 2012, 15:54

Update from the exterior..

I'm having a problems trying to load the scene on the rosetta version of truespace.. for some reason work with some objects but not with others.. seems the 7.6beta with model side save the scene with some differences that make problems on the rosetta version..

So if someone has any information about this problem will be appreciated..

Finis · Post by **Finis** » 07 May 2012, 17:34

It is all 3D right? Plants and everyting?

As always, it is hard to find anything to improve in your work. Since you are working for realism the final product needs/would be improved by:
- very realistic human. Current one doesn't look real.
- imperfections in shape and texture. I know you probably don't want to grunge it for total realism but:
-- add slight differences over grass. Less perfect where people walk and in shade or in sun (whichever the grass doesn't like). Worn where feet are when sitting in chairs.
-- ground not perfectly flat.
-- plants not perfectly vertical or symmetrical. Bend, tilt, cut off a branch sometimes.
-- add a few brown or dead, etc., imperfect leaves and branches.
-- a few leaves and twigs on ground.

Prodigy · Post by **Prodigy** » 07 May 2012, 18:23

yup everything is 3D.

Human: i'm agree.. i'll try to find a good picture and add it in post process..
Grass: Very difficult to make a realistic grass, actually i'm adding a grass texture with a different bump mapping, that "brake" the tile effect on the grass but is very difficult to make realistic grass without grass blades, and since that will eat and for sure i'll pass the 2 gigs of ram render polygonal glass blades is not possible in truespace

Ground not perfect flat: yes, that will be the last touch, add more Sub divisions and add a displacement map to the ground to make imperfections..
Good point on plants not vertical.. i'll add that touch.
Add dead leaves i thought that too but will be the laaaaast thing.. i work at the very edge of truespace.. any additional polygon may crash the scene.. but i'm totally agree that falling leaves will make more realistic.. and i'll try to add it too

All very good points and thanks you very much!

I'm trying to find a solution for my 64bit problem.. i found a software called Octane render, that need cuda GPU and looks very cool.. and it has 64bit support and use OBJ so maybe that's what i'm looking for

again, thanks for your comments very good ones..

RAYMAN · Post by **RAYMAN** » 08 May 2012, 13:00

Augusto you not only need a 64 bit architecture to do your high level of polygon count but also a very high level.. of instancing....
those are mainly the reasons why I use the software that i use now...
a software to render is only good if you have that extra control over your instances.....
Truespace isnt getting old but the implementation of the render engines is....and so is the polycount that you can make with it...
Peter

Prodigy · Post by **Prodigy** » 08 May 2012, 15:27

Bedroom.

peter: i know what you mean. I would like to keep working with ts but as you mentioned the poly count in my case count

I cant find the best combination of tools or workflow to get realistic renders with my modeling skills on truespace..
It would be great to see how do you work and which tools are you using for your work..

RAYMAN · Post by **RAYMAN** » 08 May 2012, 18:53

Prodigy wrote:Bedroom.

peter: i know what you mean. I would like to keep working with ts but as you mentioned the poly count in my case count

I cant find the best combination of tools or workflow to get realistic renders with my modeling skills on truespace..
It would be great to see how do you work and which tools are you using for your work..

Great looking bedroom !
Thea render could be an option for you..
It lets you use Truespace pretty well and is as realistic as Maxwell which is the top of realism....
It also supports instancing pretty well....
try the demo ! Its also much cheaper then Vray and is not just a biased render engine but also unbiased...
Before you export from Truespace model side you just glue all parts together and export in one go...
i made a tutorial for kerkythea that is also valid for Thea which is newer then Kerkythea..
vi ... f=45&t=701"
I know you dont like sketchup but with sketchup files you can even export parts of buildings like windows as an instance...
you can export very very big projects and buildings that way... buildings with hundreds of real poly windows and doors....
Peter

bitkar · Post by **bitkar** » 09 May 2012, 22:31

about that human... i saw some siluete only, i think it looks better sometimes, i dont know if it would work in this particular case, but it look more artistic and imho better than putting a "sprite" human there.

and about grass... there is worse problem - the texture is repeating, slightly, but its obvious. Maybe try some 3D grass technique. I usual "sprinkle" (.tsx) some 2D grass shape/sprites

Steinie · Post by **Steinie** » 11 May 2012, 11:34

Prodigy,
You might want to move your objects into Blender and try out Cycles.
This video shows some pretty cool results.

http://www.blenderguru.com/videos/rende ... ith-cycles"

Prodigy · Post by **Prodigy** » 23 May 2012, 15:41

Hi guys, back to show the final results..

Prodigy · Post by **Prodigy** » 23 May 2012, 15:48

Thanks Robert, and yes i'm trying to find a good workflow to work with cycles using jason's obj exporter..

But my GPU doesn't use cuda so first i need to upgrade my whole system.. Hope to do that before my next project.
Blender use 64bits architecture but i have to know if cycle have some memory issue.. remember use also the gpu memory so that could be a limit.

Keep in touch and thanks for the comments

marcel · Post by **marcel** » 23 May 2012, 17:34

Very good ! I want this house (if possible with the woman).

bitkar · Post by **bitkar** » 23 May 2012, 19:30

the interior is just stunning!

how did you manage to put sooo much light inside??

Prodigy · Post by **Prodigy** » 24 May 2012, 14:39

Good question Bitkar:

Area lights on each window.
Global Illumination
and finally i added 6 infinite light (one for each direction) with no casting shadows.. to increase the whole scene brightness.. Also in post process i add some screen filters to get what i want.. and that's all.

BTW: the vignetting was added on post process

bitkar · Post by **bitkar** » 24 May 2012, 15:30

thanks for answer... i thought its not only area lights and GI :) in real it would look different, but this looks awesome. Really good job.

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