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I like games and try to play the minimum is possible, but sometimes when I'm doing nothing I go and play. When I finish play or the game i fell empty, I know that I have fun but I did win nothing (Useful abilities, projects, etc), when I'm truespacing (Modeling in Truespace), I don't have that necessity to play, but when I start a object and is hard to do certain part of it I go and play, I think I could do useful things instead play, like play guitar, read a book, model in Truespace, draw, paint, exercise, a lot of useful stuff...

I know that most of you are adults and don't play anymore or never was a player, but express your opinion about that subject one whose power of influence is huge and is taking control of all entertainment media!

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You could use Truespace to create games
You don't need to just use 3D game software, you can just render images for 2D and cubic engines, also TS has a flash plugin for creating swf's
there's loads of free 2D engines from simple text games to cubic panoramics, to name a few:
Adrift 4.51, text adventure system, VERY easy to use
AGS for classic point and click adventure games
Wintermute can do 2.5D ie 3D characters in a 2D world
Pipmak does cubic games, you need trueblues cubiccam from the other forum.. Pipmak isn't that easy and a WIP

not so free
Visionaire better than AGS
Adventure maker very easy to use but to expensive for what it can do

There is a load of 3D game engines that are free but your talking a whole heap of work..

Just messing about with game engines could help in the future, I taught myself Flash,learnt everything I could about a game engine, made a few small games and landed a Job for a an american games company, I also use TS for creating content for them..

Funny but I don't play that many games, I'm more likely to look at them and try to figure out how stuff was done, look at the controls and see if people like them and see what people liked and disliked about the game.


If you do try to do a game.. THINK SMALL! you'll never make a game like Monkey Island or another Call of Duty, just do a single room escape game and grow from there

I was thinking do a game in truespace, but I first need to learn programing! Anyway the topic is abou Games and life, not about truespace, thanks for the information...

Depends on how you look at the games.

If you are stuck on a modeling problem and getting burned out, it is good to take a step back and relax so you can approach it from another angle in a little while. If the games help you relax, clear your mind and perhaps help you get past a modeling Block, then they have done something.

For me, the two go hand-in-hand. When I play games like COD or GOW, I find that they act as catalyists for me to create better work in tS. Modern computer games are filled with stunningly detailed characters, fantastic landscapes and some pretty awesome cinematics. Knowing they were all created in 3D inspires me and makes me think that if I apply myself to the task, then one day I will be able to create equally impressive work.

And, as already pointed out, when you hit a mental block or are battling some technical 3D issues, there is nothing like blasting away at some aliens for a few hours to help clear the mind.

Great explanation Breech and Karthogen, thanks...

Don't be so quick to assume that adults don't play. It seems like everyone plays something, even if it's someone playing Solitaire at work, or my mom playing Brain Age at home. A good game captures my imagination and makes me want to create something myself. You can't just make everything you do into something productive, you need to kill time once in a while. When you get stuck in a project, think of it like a game. Is the solution right in front of you? Did you breeze through the easy levels without leveling up enough?

I have the same problem. Years ago I built a car body from scratch in one night, in Aegis Modeler on an Amiga 2000, one triangle at a time. Except for a few basics and the mirror command, I could barely use the program. I just knew each triangle was one point added to the last and dove in and started modeling. Now I look at programs like zBrush, 3D-Coat, even trueSpace, and have no idea what to do with them. As the tools get easier to use the option paralysis gets worse. Less limits = more choices. Work from a drawing if you have to, just don't work without a plan as you will stall when it's not clear where to go. I should try it myself one of these days.

But I digress. There was a great quote from the father of Tetris, Alexey Pazhitnov, in an issue of Edge or Games magazine. He said that people were always coming up to him and saying that he had no idea how much time they had wasted with Tetris. He'd ask them if they had fun, and when they'd say yes, he'd say "then it wasn't time wasted!".

I agree practically in everything, I know that is fun and Humans and Games are made each other but why do not have fun with other things and in the same time learn things, and develop abilities! And I know that adults use games and a know some addicted , I think is good with responsibility, it's like a drug: vitiate, you can have an overdose, lose your relationships, be fired, if you consume with responsibility you can benefit...

Anyway I think world would be better without games, we always give a way, and humans are the best for the fun, create parties, I don't know but games are not essential and we can distress with other thing more useful than games, but after his creation will never disappear

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These games are permanently installed on my Computer and I go to them
when I want to relax.
Rome -Total War + Barbarian Invasion
F-1 Challenge 99-02
Silent Hunter III
2002 FIFA World Cup
Age of Empire III
Microsofty Flight Sim X
I played Wolfenstein since it was a sprite.
These obviously are not the latest games out there but a fun game
is a fun game.

I like all the Medal of Honor and Call of Duty games. I'm still in search of
the perfect Tank game.
See adults aren't so boring.

Here is my game configuration

Combat Flight Simulator*
Rise of Nations*
Rise and Fall
Need for Speed 2*
Simcity*
Age of Empires 3 (All expansions)
World in Conflict*
Bus Driver
The Sims 3*
Pro Evolutions Soccer 2009
Star Wars Republic Commando
Spore

(I can post a fast review of all these games if anyone is interested in buy)

* Most Played

You can see that I'm a assiduous Strategy player

About the tank games, is really hard to found, I have this one if check up to see if is ''perfect''
http://www.zeroballistics.com/"

Correcting the information: Some adults aren't boring

Best Regards

I play games for escapism and also for inspiration. I tend to go for games you can play in short bursts and like platformers or FPS shooters. Games like Bioshock really have an impact on my work thanks to their visual style and I am now playing Batman: Arkham Asylum on PS3. It is moody and involving and I spend a great deal of my time admiring the design and artwork.

So not a waste of time in my opinion although i do have a friend who spends far too much time on WOW......

Splinters you swine, i'm having to wait till sometime in september to get Arkham Asylum on the pc.
I downloaded the demo and it looks amazing, can't wait.

Ah, tis a fine game indeed and one of the best I have played so far. Very true to the darker Batman style and plays very well on a console. You will love it.

Racing games:

Grand Prix Legends 1998
GTR2 2006

Others:
UnReal Tournament 2004
Age of Empires
Spider Solitair (free, it comes with the OS)

Rich

Leon, I think you're quite right that people today are relying on computer games for their entertainment far too much. Much more than is healthy, that's for sure.

It seems that many people of a certain age group have become so dependent on that kind of recreation, that they can't enjoy simple activities like reading, painting, writing, making music, or ordinary outdoor pastimes. They're just no longer interested.

I think that's a loss. I can't see how that can be good for anyone. It limits a person's ability to grow and develop and find their real potential.

If you became obsessed with, say, crossword puzzles, and did them every day for hours, people would say you have a problem. And they'd be right. Yet I know many young people who care about nothing else but computer gaming. They will spends hours every day of the week sitting in front of a TV, juggling the control box and peering at a screen.

The only part of them that gets exercise is their fingers! And I find that they really resent it if I point out to them that there are other better things to do. Kind of like a drug addict who won't listen to advice.

No, it's not good to limit yourself to playing computer games. The world's got much more to offer than that.

I don't think you can say something is just good or bad, as long as you have a balance its fine...

i've seen several reports on studies done that says there are some pretty good benefits from playing games, but that does not mean playing it all day long...

ps. most game players are between 30 and 40 years old according to surveys done at E3...

I play mostly at night, between 9 and 12 in the evening, rest of the day is work and family time and other hobbies (very little tv)

I also find it very inspirational, apart from a lot of fun and nice distraction from a hard days work ...

currently playing Mirrors Edge, Far Cry 2, Age of Empires III, Brothers in Arms: Hells Highway, Call of Duty 4, Assassins Creed, Company of Heroes: Tales of Valour, Need for Speed Carbon, Flatout, Command & Conquer 3: Tiberium Wars...

Those are just the recent ones ;)

Kurt you're absolute Right! Other side is that Games are too efficient in distressing but with no other benefit, and if you read studies about violence and gore you will never play FPS games... Studies about dry-eye, vision problems. If you need to distressing you can play an instrument and at the same time learn good things and not just how to make 3 followed headshots. I try but it's hard, after you take knowledge you never stops, never it's worst than heroine in vicious terms and almost in mental, when you are playing you close your thinking to the game world, you look like a zombie (principally when you are playing Resident Evil, kidding ).

How old are you Kurt?

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Have a look at the advantage and disadvantage that you could get from it :

http://www.google.co.za/search?hl=en&so ... +game+bene" ... 38 million hits

http://www.google.co.za/search?hl=en&q= ... arch&meta=" ... 2 million hits

Like I said before, if it is used in moderation, then it is good. ANYTHING that is done or used too much is bad, love, food, exercise, sleep... everything you can think of...

I agree that excessive violence is not good and many games go overboard with it... there are negatives linked to it as well that you need to be aware of...

I don't think you can say gaming is bad...everything in moderation is OK.

I draw, write, illustrate, play piano, watch movies, listen to music, go for long walks, spend time with the familiy, exercise etc. but do like gaming. Sometimes I spend a bit too much if I get involved in the narrative but never more than 3-4 hours in total.

leonregis wrote:Kurt you're absolute Right! Other side is that Games are too efficient in distressing but with no other benefit.....

That's exactly right, Leon. Sure, it relieves some kinds of stress problems a little, but there are many other things that people can do to relieve stress and at the same time gain additonal benefits.

First thing that comes to mind is sport. Not necessarily hard contact sport. Any physical exercise is good for relieving mental tension, because it forces the person to switch his brain to a different mode. While it's in that mode, it gets to rest up a little.

The main harm in computer games is that they usually involve the player getting very stressed indeed! Some of them are specifically designed to rev you up, and threaten you. You must kill so many enemy or you'll be killed yourself, etc., etc..

To me, this is like getting in your car, and hitting the gas pedal while pressing hard on the brake. Game players get all the adrenalin buildup, but with no outlet for it. They can't physically attack the screen, but the game makes them want to, very much. They can't smash the controls, because then they woulodn't be able to play any more games.

The more violent computer games are perfect mechanisms for giving stress, instead of removing it!

I'm 63, by the way, so I guess my opinion on computer games is going to be a little influenced by my vintage!

People are different. Some are more/less prone to addiction, more/less intelligent, react to violence differently, distinguish reality from fantasy differently, obsessive or not, more or less need for social interaction, physically/mentally healthy or not, have an imagination or not, etc.

So games or any activity might be fine for some and not for others.

Kind of like a drug addict

Exactly. Trouble from playing games or any other activity comes from addiction or obsession.

i've seen several reports on studies

"Studies" are unreliable. They are often commissioned or produced by activist or agenda groups that get, or simply invent, exactly the results they want -- support for their views regardless of the facts. Probably it has always been that way. Even the slightest examination of the alleged methods or data, when it is even available, shows that they were fabricated and/or constructed to produce a predetermined result rather than than find facts or at least so poorly crafted that any results are meaningless. Any real effort to find out the truth about anything just gets lost in the sea of lies. Further, a study is not an experiment (which are also often corrupted) and if honestly done might at best be a hint that further investigation could be productive.

For an example of a very bad study.....

Interveiw: 500,000 prisoners currently surving time in a corrections facility. ages 18 - 30. Did you play video games when you were a child? answer yes to 85% - video games cause crime.

Now if you look at what I grew up with, Cartoons. I still say Tom and Jerry is more violent than 90% of the cartoons out today.

Karthogen wrote:For an example of a very bad study.....

Interveiw: 500,000 prisoners currently surving time in a corrections facility. ages 18 - 30. Did you play video games when you were a child? answer yes to 85% - video games cause crime.

Now if you look at what I grew up with, Cartoons. I still say Tom and Jerry is more violent than 90% of the cartoons out today.

Yes, that's right, Karth. But there's a difference, and it's significant.

I'm guessing you're about my vintage. If so, we sat and watched Tom and Jerry in a darkened theatre as part of a family night out. We knew it was a cartoon. We knew beyond a doubt that it was merely colourful entertainment to make us laugh. It lasted about three minutes, and always ended on a positive note. We had no input or influence over the events in it.

Compare that to video games, where you actively participate and actually, (or should I say virtually), perform the violent acts yourself. The "happy ending" is your survival and the body count you rack up. And you can indulge in that vicarious violence for as long as you want. There's no safety valve except your own self-control. And if observations are accurate, gamers seem to lose all semblance of self-control or identity.

Most definitely not a good thing.

Finis wrote: "Studies" are unreliable. They are often commissioned or produced by activist or agenda groups that get, or simply invent, exactly the results they want -- support for their views regardless of the facts. Probably it has always been that way. Even the slightest examination of the alleged methods or data, when it is even available, shows that they were fabricated and/or constructed to produce a predetermined result rather than than find facts or at least so poorly crafted that any results are meaningless. Any real effort to find out the truth about anything just gets lost in the sea of lies. Further, a study is not an experiment (which are also often corrupted) and if honestly done might at best be a hint that further investigation could be productive.

Just as it's risky to generalise about the causes of social problems, it's also risky to make blanket statements about "studies" of those problems. When you say, "they are often done by groups that invent the results they want", you may indeed be right in a number of cases. But you can't simply proceed from there to conclude that all studies are therefore suspect, which is what you seem to be suggesting. Your opening sentence was a very unequivocal "studies are unreliable".

Your post does seem to lean towards the notion that all studies are intrinsically faulty and flawed, and therefore can be safely ignored.

I don't think it's logical to take that view. Your point that people with an agendum might "discover" certain results that coincide with their views may be true in certain cases. But it is equally true that correct and valid results of studies will often be ignored or discredited by other people whose agenda they don't happen to suit.

Hello Kurt is right, you can't generalize!

Besides studies that talks about games that create psycho I think that it's too difficult and we can't prohibite it just because you have 1 in 1.000.000 to become an psycho (but happens). Anyway it's undeniable that violent games affects in EVERYONE! No one is safe, I'll mention a few ones collateral effects, if you want search.

Risk of cardiovascular diseases, it's caused because when you are playing a game the realist is so much that your brain interpret a CS match to a war and your heart starts to pulse rapidly (Of course the beats are not the same as a war, but are higher than normal)

Violent Behaviors, it involves games and movies when you see a situation repeatedly you think is normal and banal (I'm not saying that you will get a knife and go out stabbing everyone, but will involve in fights and push peoples easily)

Inhibiting emotions, like in the effect above you will be a blooded person and when see you participate of violent acts will be affected less than others normal people


I hope you understand. I play violent games one time per week (I try not) you just need moderation.

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Kurt, your post is a good example of some fake study tactics. I doubt that you did that deliberately and don't mean to imply that you did.

It's easy to realize that studies always have an sponsorship and usually it tends to be towards to the sponsor... But it's not unanimous, it's the same to say that all music success are launched by a Studio and not because of the quality of the music, but happens and a lot, so we just need to filtrate. Some months ago I read that smoke have a benefit if used correctly drinks too... So I just discard it

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Finis wrote:Kurt, your post is a good example of some fake study tactics. I doubt that you did that deliberately and don't mean to imply that you did.

Finis, I take it you mean when I said "But it is equally true that correct and valid results of studies will often be ignored or discredited by other people whose agenda they don't happen to suit."

I wasn't claiming that's a proven truth or empirical knowledge based upon any study. Rather, it's based upon my own observation of various people I've known. I expect you've probably had the same experience. If you haven't, you're lucky.

I think it's one of the many frustrations of life that we sometimes cannot convince others of things we know to be true, because they simply will not entertain any notion that conflicts with their personal wants and/or needs. You've probably noticed that.

Raising children is one example that immediately comes to mind. But I also meant it in the broader sense. For instance, I doubt there exists a single individual who gave up smoking on the basis of the Surgeon-General's report!

I could give you a personal case in point, but it's not really in keeping with the main purpose of this forum.

leonregis wrote:It's easy to realize that studies always have an sponsorship and usually it tends to be towards to the sponsor... But it's not unanimous, it's the same to say that all music success are launched by a Studio and not because of the quality of the music, but happens and a lot, so we just need to filtrate. Some months ago I read that smoke have a benefit if used correctly drinks too... So I just discard it

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Yeah, I love it when a "new" report or "study" comes out that contradicts a previous "report". Last year, eating too many eggs was unhealthy; this year, it's good for you. Last year, alcohol does damage even in small amounts; this year, a glass of red wine a day is good for cardiac health. Last year, high protein diets were harmful; this year, high carbohydrate diets are the villain.. and so on.

The best criterion to apply to a Study is to ask the simple question; "Who stands to make MONEY from it?"

If no beneficiary is apparent or comes to mind, it's probably safe to assume the Study's results are valid.

But its validity isn't necessarily a guarantee that people will accept it. People will believe only what they want to believe.

I haven't played any games in quite a long time.
If my dvd burner worked I'd install Doom3. Yeah it's pretty outdated
but that's the last game I bought. But the dvd burner was a CompUsa 'special' P.O.S.
that apparently doesn't work worth nothin. It worked when I first bought it, up in
New England. But it went downhill after the move to Virginia (much like a lot
of things). Won't even read dvd's. What a bargain. When I get a chance I will replace it,
and destroy this piece of junk with zest.

I take gym classes like weight training, aerobics, kickboxing, and yoga to clear my mind.
We also walk/run at the high school track. It's a lot better for me than a game TBH.

Yeah may I'll open a topic about the Veracity of Studies, but I think this is a 3D forum and it not fits.
Completely right about that believe stuff, we need just to believe and analyze, never put yours wishes in the studies just believe and see if is confiable...

Kurt how old are you? I'll add you as a friend...

froo wrote:I haven't played any games in quite a long time.
If my dvd burner worked I'd install Doom3. Yeah it's pretty outdated
but that's the last game I bought. But the dvd burner was a CompUsa 'special' P.O.S.
that apparently doesn't work worth nothin. It worked when I first bought it, up in
New England. But it went downhill after the move to Virginia (much like a lot
of things). Won't even read dvd's. What a bargain. When I get a chance I will replace it,
and destroy this piece of junk with zest.

I take gym classes like weight training, aerobics, kickboxing, and yoga to clear my mind.
We also walk/run at the high school track. It's a lot better for me than a game TBH.

Exercise yourself is one of most distressing things in earth, I love walk in the city +/- 4 km per day, for 2 months I stooped and it's hard back to the routine, anyway I still relaxing. Keep praticing...

cya

Are (computer) games a waste of life? My opinion: Fine, even good, for most people. Most bad effects probably come from playing too much and not doing other things including playing in other ways. Maybe it is the parts of life that are practical and not fun that are wasted.

I play Dune 2000 and the pinball, solitaire, and minesweeper games that came with windows. Wonder if Scapino made that pinball game?

I like Dune because it isn't a pseudo-scripted story but is a strategy game with many things to consider in order to win. I also like it because it is kind of like the combat models or simulations I worked on when I had a good job. The program has some predictable behavior though. I'd like to play vs. other people.

I was given Age of Empires - Settlers, Diablo II, and two Baldur's Gate games. I haven't played them yet because I know I would neglect other things.

I play or have fun by hiking and doing trueSpace. I'll visit or write friends, go to the movie theater occasionally and watch TV shows like Lost, Chuck, Fringe ...

leonregis wrote:Yeah may I'll open a topic about the Veracity of Studies, but I think this is a 3D forum and it not fits.
Completely right about that believe stuff, we need just to believe and analyze, never put yours wishes in the studies just believe and see if is confiable...

Kurt how old are you? I'll add you as a friend...

Yes, reality-testing is a habit that should never be lost or compromised. I think it's possible that people who become too involved in gaming run the risk of losing that ability. You obviously haven't lost it yet, Leon, or you wouldn't have started this thread.

I'm 63.

I think you are younger but it shows that the age brings experience and if you can take that experience and transform in wisdom you become a wise.

I started this thread because I see potential debate in this community (3D artist, usually gamers), and it what happens... You can see in the first page my opening post

About my perception is in divided in two parts one it's that I believe in science when he show the information and proves, the other one it's that my father is helping me, because he have a lot of that perception and share with me his point of view and try to keep me in line , he don't play games just play some arcades when kid but stopped because it was to boring and a waste of time and he still don't playing games because he says that the today games have the same limitations and the same objectives but now masked with great graphics which made it more dangerous if used wrong (like in a violent game).

Already add as a friend

cya

Finis wrote:Are (computer) games a waste of life? My opinion: Fine, even good, for most people. Most bad effects probably come from playing too much and not doing other things including playing in other ways. Maybe it is the parts of life that are practical and not fun that are wasted.

I play Dune 2000 and the pinball, solitaire, and minesweeper games that came with windows. Wonder if Scapino made that pinball game?

I like Dune because it isn't a pseudo-scripted story but is a strategy game with many things to consider in order to win. I also like it because it is kind of like the combat models or simulations I worked on when I had a good job. The program has some predictable behavior though. I'd like to play vs. other people.

I was given Age of Empires - Settlers, Diablo II, and two Baldur's Gate games. I haven't played them yet because I know I would neglect other things.

I play or have fun by hiking and doing trueSpace. I'll visit or write friends, go to the movie theater occasionally and watch TV shows like Lost, Chuck, Fringe ...

I'm not saying that every game is bad and we have to stop (what is almost impossible today), but if games don't exist world probably would be better because instead you play games you do other things, and I know that TV it's so bad than games but in TV we can see good things as documentaries and news, what in games is rare or null, you played a game which you are an architect and need to build a skyscraper worrying with the wind, earthquakes, money, material used? If exist games like that, super realistic and with all this possibilities almost nobody would buy!

Understand?

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Thanks for the compliment, Leon!

This is a good thread and obviously others thought so too.

Very nice to know that young guys such as you, still listen to their fathers these days!! I agree with him that today's games are just the same old formula but with fancier graphics. Only difference is that they're a bit more realistically violent, and, as your Dad says, that might be a dangerous thing for some people.

In the end, I think it's safe to assume that anyone who joins this Truespace community is not really in any danger of bad effects from gaming. Because obviously they're here to learn a skill and apply it, which is not something that any truly addicted gamers would choose to do, I believe.

Cya, Friend!

Finis wrote: Maybe it is the parts of life that are practical and not fun that are wasted.

Aaa, but Finis, if that were true, then the guys who sat down and applied their brains to the very practical task of writing Truespace, wasted their time...??

I'm sure you don't think that!

Some practical pursuits can be fun. Some can be sheer drudgery. But imho, none are a waste of time.

There have been games, of all sorts for thousands of years with all sorts of objectives. Even real hunting games. Computer games is just another method of playing a game, a situation, rules and figuring out how to solve a problem one step at a time. Violent and non violent games has been with mankind for a very long time, usually on a computer though no one gets hurt too bad except maybe some repetitive motion problems for some of the die hard gamers which some may consider addicts. There are plenty of games that are not violent, puzzles, flightsims and so on. Plus some violent games but then there are violent board games where the players actually don't hurt each other but the characters or assets in a game. Instead of playing the new Wolf, maybe I will instead go out with a gun and hunt for ducks or a dear . I say the problem is really with the person and not any particular game. Before computer games there was crime, not caused by any game but choices a person makes. Same with computer games.

I use to play alot of games, moved over to 3d and play less games now. If I am not playing games or doing 3d in my spare time, I am probably watching tv or reading a book . The TV would probably be the least productive though. None of those to me is a waste of time, sitting and staring at a wall would be though. My two cents.

noko wrote:There have been games, of all sorts for thousands of years with all sorts of objectives. Even real hunting games. Computer games is just another method of playing a game, a situation, rules and figuring out how to solve a problem one step at a time. Violent and non violent games has been with mankind for a very long time, usually on a computer though no one gets hurt too bad except maybe some repetitive motion problems for some of the die hard gamers which some may consider addicts. There are plenty of games that are not violent, puzzles, flightsims and so on. Plus some violent games but then there are violent board games where the players actually don't hurt each other but the characters or assets in a game. Instead of playing the new Wolf, maybe I will instead go out with a gun and hunt for ducks or a dear . I say the problem is really with the person and not any particular game. Before computer games there was crime, not caused by any game but choices a person makes. Same with computer games.

I use to play alot of games, moved over to 3d and play less games now. If I am not playing games or doing 3d in my spare time, I am probably watching tv or reading a book . The TV would probably be the least productive though. None of those to me is a waste of time, sitting and staring at a wall would be though. My two cents.

Interesting answer, the games along the human history are normally hobbies and logical games like chess, puzzle and others. Hunt games, competitions, Olympics are other kind of game because they are real need real abilities and what they represent exist in real life and is there. Chess is a representation of medieval battlefield (pretty much it), puzzle are a representation of a image that need to be decoded.

And that new computer games that are the main subject in this topic are just a extended way to play games but now adding a lot of new concepts like imaginary levels, objectives. They create a hole world and in some games looks like our world but the violent part and a obscure future like as Crysis, CS, Far Cry. If games are properly used they are the most powerful media because they change deeply your brain introducing new concepts making you like old and other things, imagine games in the Germany 30 decade, maybe he just have support from the Nordics countries just because of a game that shows how ''beautiful'' will be a Hitler world. Lucky us that it don't happened, but now games are a great massing media since that almost everybody have a PC or playstation. We have violence enough in the world and don't need a virtual version of this!

Kurt, I agree with you, here don't exist any psycho or anything like that but it's good spread the information and even show that even if you are a normal person those games aren't a good choice of lifestyle even nonviolent games that we see like The Sims and Simcity aren't a good choice because every actual game are tied in a limit and can't simulate, so it's just waste of time play SOME simulation games. I support Flight, Train, Cars, Boats simulations, they enrich our minds and help us to learn some that can be use in the real life. Maybe in a near future they can create a game such as Democracy 2 or Simcity that can simulate almost perfectly and really teach politics. Strategy games are the new chess in our world and a lot of people just forgets that some simple things are the max of that area like the Chess, I love chess, and some strategy games but I'm stopping now.

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Cya

Gosh it all gets a bit heavy and philosophical doesn't it? The first computer game I ever played was the text based version of Hitch Hikers Guide to the Galaxy in the mid 80s. The first full grpahic adventure game I remember playing was one of the Leisure Suit Larry games on my old amiga in the early 90s. When I first got a pc I bought Riven (Myst 2) which had just come out - this absolutely gob smacked me it was so gorgeous to wander around and look at all the landscapes and objects - the puzzles were simply the means of opening up new areas in the game. It took me days to figure it all out. I subsequently got all the Myst games. I have some shoot em up type adventure games as well that I either picked up cheap or came with my latest computer such as Far Cry and Doom 3. I am completely lousy at these games I'm never fast enough. I can only make any headway when I know all the cheats and can make my self invisble, fully shielded, totally healthy and carry a wacking big plasma gun. Even then I don't think I've reached the end of either game.

But having said that I can't remember the last time I actually played a computer game (apart from cards or Mahjong on the computer at work during lunch). They don't excite or interest me the way they use to. Its not a question of having made some lifestyle decision not to play computer games - I simply found my time occupied with other things and when I have computer time I'd rather mess with graphics programs than play games. So if computer games are no longer floating your boat how about modelling something instead?

Not only because I'm posting here that I'm not modeling, of course I'm modeling, for now I'm making tests with light objects to create a optic fiber with YafaRay

leonregis wrote:Not only because I'm posting here that I'm not modeling, of course I'm modeling, for now I'm making tests with light objects to create a optic fiber with YafaRay

Good on ya!

Burnart wrote:text based version of Hitch Hikers Guide to the Galaxy

I had a game like that. Mine had things with it like a "don't panic" button, a plastic bag with a "microscopic space fleet" label, and anti-peril goggles (like the red/blue 3D glasses but just black paper) which the game advised you to put on before giving your score.

Murders, killing and what has been in books for ages. The visual image of our minds I think is still more potent then a monitor hooked up to a computer. Reading a good book for me has more impact then the same story in a movie, visually I see and feel more part of a story line with a book then a typical game, of course that is me. Anyways been playing first person shooters and other games for almost two decades. I am not a violent person at all in real life, more of an explorer if anything. Reading the Bible can get very graphic and to the point. I am sure for some folks who tend anyways to violence could be induced somewhat with a violent game but I still think it is the individual choices in the end that decides. As another note, violence in the past has been way more then violence in the present on a percentage scale per person so there are probably alot of things to consider.

I love arcade games.
I was raised on Pong, Asteroids, Pacman, and then Ms Pacman,
In the later 80s I got a IBM computer and I played Leisure Snoot Larry, and Tetris, and Space Quest. I thought those pixally games were the the balls. Playing these games I learned how to go into my computer and put the jumpers in the right position. I had to learn to type into DOS and call up the floppy disk...which was like 5 " big in those days.
By the mid 90s I was beyond playing games and I was learning how to create 3d content...I became a spazzketeer. But occasionally I will still play a game...The Myst series was awesome. And I loved that puzzle game with the big elephants...Mastidons..whatever it was called. Amazone was cool....I still will play games and I still will create 3d content...and none of them rule me...because I still will play my guitar, and watch movies on the tube.,and go out now and then for a cold one... .

Finis wrote:I had a game like that. Mine had things with it like a "don't panic" button, a plastic bag with a "microscopic space fleet" label, and anti-peril goggles (like the red/blue 3D glasses but just black paper) which the game advised you to put on before giving your score.

Thats the one!

Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy by Infocom?

I still have fond memories of Zork. Many late nights
playing Earl Weaver Baseball and Speedball.

I've played countless hours with Company of Heroes,
Commandos 3 and Silent Hunter III with no urge to actually
hurt someone in real life.
I did get the urge to stick a pin in someone's butt once...

I love games. I love 3d and Art more. I love real life even more.

Only two (somewhat adult) games permanently installed on my PC:
1) COD Modern Warfare
2) Tiger Woods PGA Tour 06

I can't count how many Barbie or other stuff my kids have installed on this thing

Other favs
- Civilization Series by Sid Meier
- Baldur's Gate series

I am very disappointed that some of the EA Sports games now only come out on the Wii (graphics are not that great) or a console. I don't have a console gaming system (wife might draw the line there) and so alas I don't get to jump into Madden or NCAA Football as I used to on the PC

Steinie wrote:Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy by Infocom?

I still have fond memories of Zork. Many late nights
playing Earl Weaver Baseball and Speedball.

I've played countless hours with Company of Heroes,
Commandos 3 and Silent Hunter III with no urge to actually
hurt someone in real life.
I did get the urge to stick a pin in someone's butt once...

I love games. I love 3d and Art more. I love real life even more.

Me too, I'm just warning who puts games in first place, but seems that nobody here do that, GREAT! I have company of heroes but can't play... Anyway I'm trying to play less than 7 hours per week...

I have to admit, I'm one of the freaks who actually likes FPS games. But then, I don't tend to have massive sessions with them. I've probably played all the Star Wars games as I am also a geek. Right now on my system I have Medal of Honor: Spearhead and Left 4 Dead. I persnally find them both to be great stress relievers, but I also have a slightly different vantage point from most other folks. I do special effects makeup as a living and as such, I spend most of my waking hours (at work at least) creating the sort of gore and mayhem that others tend to have these sorts of threads about (lol). In general, I think I'm psychologically normal, and I've never had the urge to go out with an AK-47 and waste my co-workers (well, maybe the thought crossed my mind about one former employer, but I wasn't serious).
I agree that moderation is key in this. You shouldn't play these games so much that they replace real world experiences. That's the point when your mind will start to question which is the reality. And they're not for everyone. The Grande theft autio series is hugely popular, but I'm not interested in it because I feel some of the material is morally objectionable. THat's my opinion, but it doesn't have to be the opinion of everyone else. I don't think that everyone who plays it will rob stores or beat up hookers.
I think my arguement has been that if someone is going to be violent, they will. You can find potential triggers for such behaviour everywhere. Tv, books, magazines and comics, games, internet news coverage, and even commercials. And, of course, real life. It's very hard to point the finger at on source when there are potentially so many more contributing factors, and when the studies simply look for one commonality.

Oh, since we're revealing age here, I'm gonna be 42 in a couple weeks.

I spent a good part of a year playing ultima online when I first discovered it. I would come home from work and delve right into the world of ultima until i just got exhausted and slept. I think I overdid it with that, it was kind of a waste of time because I spent all my free time on it. But I eventually tired of it and moved on. I never got addicted to a game like that again, and I doubt I will. The whole online experience of gaming just hooked me in. But it did get me to appreciate the art of gaming and I think it got me interested in making some ames which I have done since then, so maybe it wasn't all too bad. But overall I think games are not a waste of time if done in moderation. There are so many games out there that challenge all different aspects of your mind, I think they can be beneficial if played wisely. But of course sometimes I just wanna have fun blowing stuff up in video games too

Rotcorp wrote:I do special effects makeup as a living

(green with envy)

Games, and all forms of play, develop and maintain the imagination. Fantasy role playing games for example. Some help with physical skills. For example, the wii games and games with realistic controllers. Strategy, economics, planning ... many such things are part of various games.

I guess I am one of the old ones (69) who didn't play computer games when I grew up. (No computers.)
I do play them now and think they can become addictive. They also can be used as a learning tool. My Son does the Play and Learn, and Jump Start series a lot.
I use them to keep my mind sharp. I do not work a full time job anymore so I must keep my mind active. I draw, and play some games to keep busy.
They also help with hand mind coordinaion.

Rotcorp wrote:I persnally find them both to be great stress relievers, but I also have a slightly different vantage point from most other folks. I do special effects makeup as a living and as such, I spend most of my waking hours (at work at least) creating the sort of gore and mayhem that others tend to have these sorts of threads about (lol). In general, I think I'm psychologically normal, and I've never had the urge to go out with an AK-47 and waste my co-workers (well, maybe the thought crossed my mind about one former employer, but I wasn't serious).

Oh, since we're revealing age here, I'm gonna be 42 in a couple weeks.

Rotcorp, you're living my dream! I wanted to be a spfx makeup artist ever since I saw "The Mummy" back in the 50s. Then, when I saw the opening shot of Dustin Hoffman in "Little Big Man", I went out the next day and bought a bucket of latex, some plaster of paris, and some clay. Talked one of my friends into sitting still while I smeared alginate and plaster over his face, cast it, sculpted it, etc, and finally wound up with a pretty good "old man" mask. And it even stayed stuck to his face for long enough to film it with my trusty old Super 8 camera!

Do you have a favourite forum for spfx makeup where you hang out?

Kurt.

Kenc3 wrote:I guess I am one of the old ones (69) who didn't play computer games when I grew up. (No computers.)
I do play them now and think they can become addictive. They also can be used as a learning tool. My Son does the Play and Learn, and Jump Start series a lot.
I use them to keep my mind sharp. I do not work a full time job anymore so I must keep my mind active. I draw, and play some games to keep busy.
They also help with hand mind coordinaion.

Hey, Ken! I'm 63, and I don't think 69 is old!!

Now, 99, that's old. We got a ways to go yet, Ken.

Old is a relative word as normal...

Kurt wrote: Hey, Ken! I'm 63, and I don't think 69 is old!!

69 is not old it is hot!

Kurt wrote:Rotcorp, you're living my dream! I wanted to be a spfx makeup artist ever since I saw "The Mummy" back in the 50s. Then, when I saw the opening shot of Dustin Hoffman in "Little Big Man", I went out the next day and bought a bucket of latex, some plaster of paris, and some clay. Talked one of my friends into sitting still while I smeared alginate and plaster over his face, cast it, sculpted it, etc, and finally wound up with a pretty good "old man" mask. And it even stayed stuck to his face for long enough to film it with my trusty old Super 8 camera!

Do you have a favourite forum for spfx makeup where you hang out?

Kurt.[/quote]

It's one of those jobs that has its highs and lows, feast and famine.... you know, pretty much like many other jobs. Overall, it's pretty cool though, and I'm working for the best shop in Vancouver right now with some of the most talented artists in Canada.
I don't actually use any forums... even kinda shy away from Facebook groups. I just don't seem to have much time to contribuute to them, so for the most part, you'll see me here a lot more than any other place. Sorry, but I don't have any real recommendations for you.
~Brad

PS:
I still have really fond memories of the old super 8mm days. Heck, my very first camera was a regular 8mm that you had to wind up and which took old film bobbins (not mags or carts).
Now, I'm content doing my animation and films on a computer. Which I really ought to get back to right now... I have a render waiting to happen...

Rotcorp wrote:I don't actually use any forums... even kinda shy away from Facebook groups. I just don't seem to have much time to contribuute to them, so for the most part, you'll see me here a lot more than any other place. Sorry, but I don't have any real recommendations for you.
~Brad

PS:
I still have really fond memories of the old super 8mm days. Heck, my very first camera was a regular 8mm that you had to wind up and which took old film bobbins (not mags or carts).
Now, I'm content doing my animation and films on a computer. Which I really ought to get back to right now... I have a render waiting to happen...

Okay, I'll google it and see what I find. I'd just want some hints and tips - and inspiration.

I remember those spools of film! You had to thread them on. That was Standard 8, I think. You could even get black and white 8mm film once!

But, much as I recall those days fondly, I sure as heck wouldn't want to go back to editing by scraping emulsion off tiny bits of film, and splicing with dabs of glue and all that!

Cheers,

Kurt.

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