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stan · Post by **stan** » 08 Jan 2011, 20:56

here is a few 3d textures ..brownian and leather..(on bad glass again)

Steinie · Post by **Steinie** » 08 Jan 2011, 21:04

I don't know what "brownian" is but I am absolutely excited watching
your progress Gord! Your dedication is inspiring!!!

stan · Post by **stan** » 08 Jan 2011, 21:25

Bob, if you go to the image of the shaders and textures on 3d texture the first on is called ' Brownian'

froo · Post by **froo** » 09 Jan 2011, 01:38

looks good! Hmm... Brownian... I guess i won't go there...

excellent work stan! You are working hard on this! Thank you so much man!

Jason

stan · Post by **stan** » 10 Jan 2011, 16:27

here is my first material sampler shots..it works ..I don't believe it, I thought it might be impossible to see a material before render as the materials don't really exist in truespace..you will have to click on it to update though..woot

it's crude at the moment, I will give two options..on a sphere or plane..haven't figured out smoothing yet but it should be shown on here too I think..going to need one of those ts striped backgrounds too

Emmanuel · Post by **Emmanuel** » 10 Jan 2011, 17:26

stan wrote:.going to need one of those ts striped backgrounds too

Something like this ?

stan · Post by **stan** » 10 Jan 2011, 18:28

THANKS Emmanuel..

nigec · Post by **nigec** » 10 Jan 2011, 18:37

With Vray in Sketchup you have to update the preview so I think its norm

Your doing a cracking job

stan · Post by **stan** » 10 Jan 2011, 20:01

Emmanuel, having trouble putting that background in..vray won't render my preview..not sure why..

Nigec, what is the background in sketchup? grey? it's grey in maya..might be why, not really sure..

nigec · Post by **nigec** » 10 Jan 2011, 20:49

Hi Stan,
in sketchup the vray tools are like this:

There's tool bar icons for options, material, render buffer, render, pointlight, rectangle light, sphere and infinite plane

stan · Post by **stan** » 11 Jan 2011, 02:19

Thsnks Nigec...

Emmanuel..got it working..WOOT

stan · Post by **stan** » 15 Jan 2011, 23:29

I've been working on the shader system and here is a peak at the finished simbiont shader.

Clicking on the attributes button brings up the attributes aspect.(actually the export aspect) It will update on changing darktree files except the first time when you must use manual load button.

cool

Steinie · Post by **Steinie** » 16 Jan 2011, 01:47

Is this going to work on the workSpace side of trueSpace?
Aren't the simbiont shaders made for the Modeler side or are they
Rendering engine specific. Now they can be used on both sides?
I'm confused.

stan · Post by **stan** » 16 Jan 2011, 02:34

The vray standalone project is a workspace renderer..I have access to the darktree shader system through vray as shader as long as I created an interface for it, which I did. Hence my simbiont..cool heh...but these darktree shaders are not transferable to modelside, like any workspace shader it can't cross the bridge.. You will have a darktree system on both side though...

stan · Post by **stan** » 25 Jan 2011, 16:00

I've been working on getting shaders working properly(most work). I am also creating the texture nodes and shader nodes for each now(long job)..

I now have my texture server working ..woot.. the shader server wil be easy now..

..the system will work as though its a dx shader to load the inital shader, then you use the panels I showed previously to load the additional layers of textures and shaders by first clicking on the tex or shader button on the shader...I have only linked up colors for now to textures but will figure out down the road the rest of the possible links. It is alot to figure out..

oh..here is a pic with the background shader(called use_background), had to figure out if that worked to see what it did. Can you guess which one it is?.

froo · Post by **froo** » 25 Jan 2011, 17:46

Excellent Stan!

stan · Post by **stan** » 29 Jan 2011, 03:45

Thanks Jason..

Here are some shaders with textures..my skill at setting them up is still crude..they are not like ts vray shaders, they will take some getting use to....

I'm am now coding the texture panels data into the system, that is why there is a few kinds in the scene..the texture server is working well..

too bad the subsurface scatter shader is not showing right, its in lower right. I think its lighting because I had it showing nice in an earlier test but lost it..

froo · Post by **froo** » 29 Jan 2011, 05:40

Dude that is Bad ass!

Prodigy · Post by **Prodigy** » 29 Jan 2011, 11:56

check your language Jason..

instead use something like..
This is fucking awesome..

LeonRegis · Post by **LeonRegis** » 29 Jan 2011, 13:42

A lot of Psychedelia ! MY EYES:

THIS IS MIND BLOWING!

stan · Post by **stan** » 29 Jan 2011, 22:04

Thanks guys..

a tiring day but got the 2d & 3d texture panels done..They now all are connected in code..

still have layered textures , blend, invert, and any other utility tex I can find..lol

I do also have the shaders done with a few missing points here and there...

maybe I will feel up to making a render of all texures later tonight...

stan · Post by **stan** » 30 Jan 2011, 02:28

well here are the 2d textures in the rough..some are not setup right..all need texuv ajustment..most are at 20 reps..
starting with bottom row left to right
vertex color(not setup right), bulge, dirt(too dirty?), edges, fresnel
second row
checkers, cloth, file, fractal
third row
grid, mountain,movie(no movie shown),noise,ocean
top
water ,ramp, psd (without a psd shown)

enough for today..

stan · Post by **stan** » 31 Jan 2011, 15:58

here are the 3D textures..roughly setup ..no tweaking..(my snow looks like city snow lol oh well)

right to left bottom row..
brownian, clouds, crater, granite, leather
middle
marble ,rock, solid fractal, snow
top
stucco, volume noise, wood..

bitkar · Post by **bitkar** » 01 Feb 2011, 10:29

vray stan-alone project :))

stan · Post by **stan** » 02 Feb 2011, 17:08

yes the stan-alone project..lol

here is my latest..I got glossy glass working..not sure on how it renders out yet..but the darktrees are great..

clintonman · Post by **clintonman** » 03 Feb 2011, 03:00

bitkar wrote:vray stan-alone project )

I like that.

As far as I'm concerned that's the official name from now on.

froo · Post by **froo** » 03 Feb 2011, 05:48

I agree with clinton, stan.

Hey, we're cheering from the sidelines buddy!

Wigand · Post by **Wigand** » 04 Feb 2011, 15:54

Hi stan, you asked me about the sunposition script.
Here is a whole scene.
You have to convert azimut and height into a TS angle format.

stan · Post by **stan** » 04 Feb 2011, 16:17

Thanks Wigand..

ok guy the its vray stan-alone project ..

I kinda thought trueRay exporter..

here is somethinmg I wasnt sure how it worked but I figured it out..here is render elements..the image is of vrayRE Sample Rates. When you check an item on list you get an extra image with that element.

froo · Post by **froo** » 04 Feb 2011, 19:03

Cooooooool!

stan · Post by **stan** » 05 Feb 2011, 01:16

yup coooool! that is also the last part of the main vray panel system as per the vray manual here http://www.spot3d.com/vray/help/maya/150R1/ ..woot..the only thing left to do is the default panel..not sure what to put there..

I started on layered textures tonight..for now a max of four layers.

froo · Post by **froo** » 05 Feb 2011, 14:20

So you just have the default panel to work on, now?

stan · Post by **stan** » 05 Feb 2011, 18:50

yes for the main vray panel system, not sure what default should have on it yet.(ts default aspect).. still lots to do though..

I battling with the texture layers now..they seem to work but I can't get the texs showing properly. In glass the texs are in the shadow but not showing well otherwise...It could just be my lack of understanding the shaders, not sure..it might be in code. going to take a break ..that always helps..

bitkar · Post by **bitkar** » 05 Feb 2011, 21:37

i hope you will be successfull in making it user friendly :D coz its insane work to export the tS scene into vray :) big respect!

stan · Post by **stan** » 05 Feb 2011, 21:59

Bitkar, the shaders are a handful to get right..but its user friendly to export..just press the render button..

I got layered texture working..just have to finish off the code for it now, adding color as a possible choice in a layer...woot.

here is a pic

stan · Post by **stan** » 06 Feb 2011, 14:56

ok..got layeredtextures working fully..here's a pic. all four layers are used..
two with colors two with textures..I have color in layers 1 and 4, I won't get into the blend mode for now..

now to fix the error in my code I found on afew shadar types..like the one I'm using for this example..Phong..

froo · Post by **froo** » 06 Feb 2011, 16:21

Looks like you've got the hang of it stan.
Keep up the great work!

stan · Post by **stan** » 06 Feb 2011, 16:26

Yes Jason..I also just got the issue with phong sorted out..now to make corrections to the other shaders..woot

here is a pic of properly working phong with layered texs..

stan · Post by **stan** » 07 Feb 2011, 16:06

here is simple glass..one with what I call ts extra layer

stan · Post by **stan** » 09 Feb 2011, 14:42

here is the mirror shader reflecting the seamless sky texture..I have finished the shaders server too, so I can now start on layered shader and blend shader..woot.

froo · Post by **froo** » 09 Feb 2011, 15:24

Duuuude You Are Rockin!
Way to go stan!

I wonder if this can be used in conjunction with Messiah, if it goes through.

stan · Post by **stan** » 09 Feb 2011, 15:47

do you mean as a renderer for messiah? or through truespace? I got the 10 dollar version, too cheap to pass up..

stan · Post by **stan** » 12 Feb 2011, 16:46

I needed a break getting the shader system done at least its mostly figured out and it is the largest part or the standalone(lots of coding for layers & blend & thatdang vraymtl I keep forgetting about.

)..so I have been trying to figure out the sun/sky system a little better ..I don't think its working the way should yet but its showing promise..here are a few pics

froo · Post by **froo** » 13 Feb 2011, 02:31

niiiice

I meant, hm... I dunno what I meant!

stan · Post by **stan** » 14 Feb 2011, 16:24

I need to get some more lights working, so now I have the maya default lights working, activated by go to Global Options/ lighting and checking Default lights. I will probably add a setting panel for it.

here is IES light working but not fully coded.
using : SupportFiles\IES Files\InCove\2818T1EX.IES

will show more later..

stan · Post by **stan** » 14 Feb 2011, 19:58

area light

stan · Post by **stan** » 15 Feb 2011, 00:29

here's the projector

stan · Post by **stan** » 15 Feb 2011, 02:04

the light library

froo · Post by **froo** » 15 Feb 2011, 04:14

Damn dude! Looks great!

stan · Post by **stan** » 15 Feb 2011, 13:33

Thanks Jason, as you can tell in the image of the projector light I have yet to figure out smoothing, at least that's what I think it is..

LeonRegis · Post by **LeonRegis** » 15 Feb 2011, 14:33

I'm holding myself, trying not to express my excitation with bad language!

Congrats man, going great!

stan · Post by **stan** » 15 Feb 2011, 15:30

Yes Leon, it will be great to have this version of VRay to render with in workspace..

stan · Post by **stan** » 16 Feb 2011, 17:41

here is the area light with an image..like modelside rect light, but I notice it doesn't act the same as with no image..

stan · Post by **stan** » 16 Feb 2011, 19:43

here's one of the light panels ..the omni max..you can even add a projector map to an omni ....

stan · Post by **stan** » 18 Feb 2011, 17:07

here is the last light I had to setup..lightmesh. I'm using a poser model as the mesh, it needs a mesh in your scene to light up so I hid the poser model with a node attributes panel's visible option set to hide which is placed in the poser node.

now just to code the panel values into the light fnset..

froo · Post by **froo** » 18 Feb 2011, 18:16

heh now you can make your own ghosts stan!

stan · Post by **stan** » 18 Feb 2011, 19:56

yes..actually I just wanted to try a complex mesh as lightmesh

. Here is the cone in the scene not hidden and as lightmesh..

stan · Post by **stan** » 19 Feb 2011, 16:20

here is some of the strange things you can do with lights with vray.
a meshlight and an omnimax with textures for color.

you can also setup any object in scene to receive only light from lights on the list for that object(which is not shown here)..very cool

Is there any interest in this project beyond the very few who I know that are? Testing has begun and I am starting to see finished product coming closer..

Steinie · Post by **Steinie** » 19 Feb 2011, 16:26

I see a Steinie in the horizon...

stan · Post by **stan** » 19 Feb 2011, 16:54

here is a texture in the shadow color of a projector...

stan · Post by **stan** » 19 Feb 2011, 18:33

a spotlight with red shadow and mountain texture in color tex

stan · Post by **stan** » 19 Feb 2011, 19:17

here is the light dome with fractal noise in color tex..intensity 1

stan · Post by **stan** » 19 Feb 2011, 19:53

here is the light sphere with leather in shadow tex..

Johny · Post by **Johny** » 20 Feb 2011, 11:52

Wow Stan!

Good work Stan. keep it up!

marcel · Post by **marcel** » 20 Feb 2011, 18:13

Great work!

just to know: how will be the final work? a file to install on the workspace as a rsobject? What about the old vray installed with this new feature (it is a problem to have 2 versions of Vray)? the standalone Vray appears as a new render engine (if we have it)?

stan · Post by **stan** » 20 Feb 2011, 18:57

There will be a few rsobj's, one in the scene (the vray render setting node) some tools placed in the system area , toolbar icons and 3 libraries added to the main library(lights,textures,shaders)....you will have to use the lights and materials provided.

This and the old vray dont mix at all.. You will have to create scenes using vray standalone lights and materials as they are non transferable. So old vray is not affected but you can't just render with the standalone using old vray scenes, lights and materials must be changed, same in reverse.

It will not appear as a new render engine as it is external to truespace. Really it's an exporter to vray for maya standalone.

Emmanuel · Post by **Emmanuel** » 20 Feb 2011, 20:14

stan wrote:You will have to create scenes using vray standalone lights and materials as they are non transferable. So old vray is not affected but you can't just render with the standalone using old vray scenes, lights and materials must be changed, same in reverse.

Stan, you are doing a huge work and all the Workspace users here will appreciate this great tool.

I was very enthusiastic about this Vray Standalone for trueSpace. But the need for specific materials makes it a Workspace-only solution, since the Bridge would destroy the Workspace setup.
And this is a problem for me, because I don't use Workspace at all (I never could get used to its Material Editor or the Link Editor, also I miss all the plugins and tools and smooth/reliable workflow available in Modeler).

This restraint (lights and material edition in Workspace) can not fit in my current workflow, unfortunately.
From a Modeler point of view, Vray Standlone for TrueSpace forces me to split my workflow and use a different application (Workspace) for material edition and lightening setup. This is somehow like using SketchUp/Rhino/C4D/Maya... with the difference that SketchUp/Rhino/C4D/Maya's tools are more efficient than Workspace when it comes to a professional workflow in material edition or lightening setup.

For a pure Modeler user, Simon's Dribble was probably the best bridge for external renderers like Vray Standalone...

bitkar · Post by **bitkar** » 22 Feb 2011, 09:27

emanuel is right, i have it the same way - using modeler. But anyway its a great chance for tS users to have ANY new rendering oportunity added (as vray internal has some bugs, that cannot be fixed, coz we dont have sourcecode)

I also deeply hope that someone will be able to develop dribble to next version which will be fully functional and fully any renderman engine complient, so I can use others, not only 3Delight.

anyway keep it up stan. big respect to you.

sorry for the offtopic.

froo · Post by **froo** » 22 Feb 2011, 14:56

Hey count me in Stan! RealTime rendering is nice but it only goes so far.
I think, a lot of people are interested, but are not interested in posting
on the forums. They prefer to just get what is available for their purposes.
The real test will be the number of downloads.

stan · Post by **stan** » 22 Feb 2011, 15:36

Thanks Jason.

I can't really make this for modelside because of the node base shader system. Never mind the lights types that don't exist. I like model side and use it alot but scripting vray standalone is the best solution, Rsx would have been too much work. This will be as close to VRay for Maya as I can make it.

I am trying to make it so you can model on model side and cross over because I will be doing that too for my own projects.
I just yesterday created the material recovery system for crossing the bridge to model and back..works automaticly. It will need more testing but the cross over part works fine(I have been using it in my layers system to keep layer numbers from screwing up when coming back from model), I just haven't tested creating a new object in model for the result in material workspace completely..Its suppose to be default white.

Here is a pic of multi material on a few objects an the PSD texture on the sphere..finally got the psd working properly.

stan · Post by **stan** » 25 Feb 2011, 22:23

here is the new material editor I'm testing..might not need the buttons on bottom, but they probably will be needed for control changes to update. It seems to work on auto for new material and inspect but is slow..

froo · Post by **froo** » 25 Feb 2011, 22:40

Dude.

stan · Post by **stan** » 26 Feb 2011, 21:49

well my tests with material editor got frustrating because the watch dog which usually wakes up if triggered manually once isn't working in the material editor node, it only seems to work on auto if the LE is open to inside the ME node where the watch dog is (not really watching, more asleep that awake) ..so I went for a ski and when I got back I figured hair needs testing..so here is a sphere with dreds.

stan · Post by **stan** » 01 Mar 2011, 18:19

I figured out how the standalone advances frames in an animation...woot..

Steinie · Post by **Steinie** » 01 Mar 2011, 18:46

Great News!

froo · Post by **froo** » 01 Mar 2011, 19:17

Nice stan!
Did you go skiing?
I hope I can go this year; we'll see.

stan · Post by **stan** » 02 Mar 2011, 17:49

yes Jason I went cross countryskiing..I'm sure you mean downhill though..

It seems finding how the standalone advances frames was the easy part. Getting my script to do what is needed without screwups will take awhile. LOL I now have frames being rendered with my transform movements showing after a few coding attempts..

stan · Post by **stan** » 03 Mar 2011, 16:48

see if this gif loads its a very crude ani made with vray. you must click on gif to see ani, as it only animates on next page with full view. Vray only makes numbered files for animation as far as I can tell so I made a gif from them..

froo · Post by **froo** » 03 Mar 2011, 17:26

yep looks like that loads just fine stan.

stan · Post by **stan** » 04 Mar 2011, 15:35

here is one of camera animated albeit poorly..lol

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