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Karthogen · Post by **Karthogen** » 24 Aug 2009, 12:34

This is the mineshaft outside the dome.

Any ideas on how to keep the light from bleeding through the walls?

Finis · Post by **Finis** » 24 Aug 2009, 16:07

Some model side Lightworks possibilities:
- some lights don't have shadow casting on
- some objects don't have cast shadows on
- there is a gap between some objects (floor-wall, building-mountain)
- the light on the mountain might come from the purple lights on top
- the walls are planes (use thin boxes instead)

Karthogen · Post by **Karthogen** » 24 Aug 2009, 16:27

thanks for the ideas.

Lights have shadows on.
The walls have width, (Generarated from a cube)
It was all one object so no gaps.
Check the material light on top nad it seems just to be coming from the area ligth within.

I'll have to look for the Shadow option to make sure it is turned on

marcel · Post by **marcel** » 24 Aug 2009, 18:12

This problem is often with map shadow wen the light is near an object. Use a ray shadow.
You can also use a projector light to avoid light on the mountain.

Karthogen · Post by **Karthogen** » 31 Aug 2009, 03:36

so don't try working on a model when you are stuck and feeling sick. I ended up deleting everythign sinc eI could not stop my light from going through a wall.

so here is the start of my model for the MMC.

Karthogen · Post by **Karthogen** » 31 Aug 2009, 21:48

decided to put teh mine inside the dome.

Karthogen · Post by **Karthogen** » 01 Sep 2009, 18:53

Raising the Roof

Karthogen · Post by **Karthogen** » 01 Sep 2009, 21:02

Garage built and entrance made...

Karthogen · Post by **Karthogen** » 05 Sep 2009, 16:50

texture update

Karthogen · Post by **Karthogen** » 05 Sep 2009, 21:07

I'm Texture crazy today.

Karthogen · Post by **Karthogen** » 07 Sep 2009, 05:22

getting there

Karthogen · Post by **Karthogen** » 07 Sep 2009, 20:16

I never realized how much the render actually has on the end result.
this is a few yafaray renders, one without volume and one with then a close up.

theuns · Post by **theuns** » 18 Sep 2009, 20:36

looking good so far K... love the take on the idea you have there and the traditional farm yard look inside the bubble! brilliant :)

Karthogen · Post by **Karthogen** » 19 Sep 2009, 15:13

I had to adjust the model some and that moved my UV map, so I am mapping again. Thia is the first pillar mapped correctly. The ones in the back still need to be completed and I need to tweak the material a little more.

LeonRegis · Post by **LeonRegis** » 19 Sep 2009, 15:29

Let's see what it will become

Karthogen · Post by **Karthogen** » 19 Sep 2009, 20:25

well all the supports are complete and the 3 doors, now I have to move up the rest of it.

Karthogen · Post by **Karthogen** » 20 Sep 2009, 05:29

Taking a little longer than I thought. Went to a nice firework show tonight, so I have made progress through most of the difficult parts.

LeonRegis · Post by **LeonRegis** » 20 Sep 2009, 13:56

But hey Karthogen, this is just amazing I'm loving the details you are making a good job with the UV mapping it's just getting perfect!

Karthogen · Post by **Karthogen** » 20 Sep 2009, 18:05

Thank you,
here is the full building with glass. I need a little touch up but mostly complete.

LeonRegis · Post by **LeonRegis** » 20 Sep 2009, 18:27

That glass made a significant change! Great work, it's good see your progress

Which renderer you are using? It's in TS or Blender? It is in Mars?

Keep the good work!

Karthogen · Post by **Karthogen** » 21 Sep 2009, 03:33

So this is what I could finish with before the 21st. This will definately stay on my WIP and Iam hoping to finish everythign I wanted to do wit it one day.
But this is the final submission.

Karthogen · Post by **Karthogen** » 23 Sep 2009, 04:08

Some additional work.

Critiques and comments are more than welcome.

theuns · Post by **theuns** » 24 Sep 2009, 08:15

nice start for the mine car, like it :)

Karthogen · Post by **Karthogen** » 25 Sep 2009, 12:56

thank you,

I was doing some texturing on it last night after reading through soem of the articles and Tuts someone posted in another thread. Really got me motivated to create some detailed textures in Gimp. I still have some tweaking to do so I shoud have an update soon.

theuns · Post by **theuns** » 25 Sep 2009, 13:01

got a link to those texturing tuts, K? i still need some practice and pointers in those areas ...

Karthogen · Post by **Karthogen** » 25 Sep 2009, 14:44

DD posted the Tuts in the another post. The first one is a general article about texturing, no specifics on programs but talks about the Textures, affects of time, and what specific options do in 3d programs.

vi ... f=39&t=706"

Karthogen · Post by **Karthogen** » 26 Sep 2009, 02:08

First textrure test on the mine car.

And I attempted to fix the terrain, but now I have to fix the sphere backdrop

Karthogen · Post by **Karthogen** » 27 Sep 2009, 14:54

SPending more time learning how to texture and use the Normal map with a specular map. I am hopin to get some feed back and critiques before I continue and finish the rest of the Mine car.

tahnoak · Post by **tahnoak** » 27 Sep 2009, 15:02

Very nice work. I enjoy watching these projects go from concept to your interpretation of the concept. Great detail!

Karthogen · Post by **Karthogen** » 27 Sep 2009, 19:13

Thank you,
I am done textureing for toady I may have to revisit it later. but there is so much more to do.

Karthogen · Post by **Karthogen** » 29 Sep 2009, 01:56

Ok I think this is what I am going to finish with. I am hopig to get some critiques or comments, something still seems a little off to me and I can not figure out what it is.

Karthogen · Post by **Karthogen** » 30 Sep 2009, 04:34

Updated render test. missing a few materials.

noko · Post by **noko** » 30 Sep 2009, 10:36

I like this project, cool. Now I wonder how vehicles get in and out. Maybe just not shown. Next is the upper section of complex maybe an elevator, transport tube or something may enhance structure and show more then meets the eye helping the imagination to think things up. Some influence of what this structure is for, as in a tunnel is drilled or something next to facility plus equipement and lights going off into the distance maybe. Make it come alive with all sorts of activity being reflected outside, maybe some bent or broken items, junk yard of broken bits maybe. Hope this helps, keep up the great work.

Karthogen · Post by **Karthogen** » 30 Sep 2009, 12:53

Thank you for the comments noko, I like the ideas witht eh lights and the Junkyard bits, I will have to see what I can do.

The actuall elevator entrance is just off camera to the right and the exit is behind the camera. I am still looking for a camera angle that can get it all in.

Breech Block · Post by **Breech Block** » 30 Sep 2009, 17:31

This project is really starting to come alive now. Love all the details you are adding. It has been great watching this develop over the last few weeks. Keep up the good work.

Karthogen · Post by **Karthogen** » 30 Sep 2009, 19:38

Thank you, I still have a month left and a lot more ideas than a month would let me accomplish, so I will have to see were it takes me.

Karthogen · Post by **Karthogen** » 02 Oct 2009, 03:19

Some additional texture work. I was trying the GIMP texturize plugin. Can take a small image and use the plugin to make a larger, tilable texture image. Worked pretty good on the green box just, needed a little tweaking.

LeonRegis · Post by **LeonRegis** » 02 Oct 2009, 09:54

I just love your texturing work, UV maps? Just magnificent!

Cya

Karthogen · Post by **Karthogen** » 02 Oct 2009, 13:12

Thank you,

Yeah I have been exporitng the UV Map, Loading in a small texture of steel with sctratches in it, and Duplicating the texture with sctratches behind all the faces. I then add a new overlay layer somewhat trransparent with solid noise that is toned down with contrast and blured, and colorized. Then an easy process of color picking the sctratches off the metal texture and then using the selection to paint a layer mask over the color layer.

With this most recent box I used. TExturize that made it a little easier, but a little more repetative.

http://gimp-texturize.sourceforge.net/"

SO I took another Steele texture, Shrunk it down to 256*256 and used texturize to bring the size back up to 1024*1024. Then applied the rest of the steps on the same process.

the texturize plugin worked well but does have some issues with textures that are briighter or darker in certain areas. All it took was a little tweaking with contrast and color picker to get it right. They have some nice examples on there website, and it is suppose to be able to make it tilable.

Karthogen · Post by **Karthogen** » 04 Oct 2009, 17:11

testing more camera angles. Any suggestions?

Karthogen · Post by **Karthogen** » 05 Oct 2009, 13:00

I had to fix the ground a little more on this one, but now I need to start working my way up.

Karthogen · Post by **Karthogen** » 06 Oct 2009, 03:18

Ship 1 of 3: I am being a little ambitiuos for the time left:
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theuns · Post by **theuns** » 06 Oct 2009, 07:44

still lots of time, ships looking good already :)

Karthogen · Post by **Karthogen** » 06 Oct 2009, 12:53

Thank you, I still have some details (Guns) to add to this one with some finer detail work on the model before texturing. then I have 2 otehr ships I want to put into it before the end of October. Then the hard part, will be render time for animation. Hoping to have the models and everything finsihed early next week to submitt my final for the MMC and start on the animation.

Karthogen · Post by **Karthogen** » 08 Oct 2009, 03:31

Still not wanting to work on the texture yet for this one, I have not figured it out yet.

Karthogen · Post by **Karthogen** » 08 Oct 2009, 11:51

Another camera angle.

Karthogen · Post by **Karthogen** » 10 Oct 2009, 23:42

Think I'm giving up on three ships for this one and just going with one for now.

Here si the start of the texture.

Karthogen · Post by **Karthogen** » 20 Oct 2009, 22:29

Final entry for the MMC. Now I need to start animating. WIP for that coming soon.

Steve · Post by **Steve** » 20 Oct 2009, 23:51

Just thought I'dl ike to mention I love the texture work going on the last page

I'll be watching this project

LeonRegis · Post by **LeonRegis** » 21 Oct 2009, 00:00

OW! Amazing Kart... Do you think is better create a new thread for the animation WIP? Or keep all together here, modeling, texturing and animation...

Cya

Karthogen · Post by **Karthogen** » 21 Oct 2009, 02:21

Thank you for the Comments, they are a real motivation to keep going.

Not sure if it will be better to continue this WIP for the Animation challenge or start animating in a new one thread. REally have no clue what an animation WIP even looks like.

LeonRegis · Post by **LeonRegis** » 21 Oct 2009, 09:06

See Marcel's threads, I think it show what you want...

Karthogen · Post by **Karthogen** » 28 Oct 2009, 12:57

Well before I started on animating I decided to change some things around that I just ran out of time on with teh MMC. I changed the background and used teh star simulation to create a sky. It is not so stretched and I think Blends better. I also started playing around with atmospheric affects. I think it gives the render a lot more depth. Still a lot to do on this.

theuns · Post by **theuns** » 28 Oct 2009, 19:46

you should look at using the "depth field" feature on the scene to focus on you main attraction, maybe from behind the vehicle like you had it before or from the hull of the ship looking down at the vehicle...

see image below where i used it to focus on a specific part of the scene...

Karthogen · Post by **Karthogen** » 28 Oct 2009, 20:54

Thank you I will have to give that a try. I have not done anything with DOF yet, so I may have to read up on how that works.

LeonRegis · Post by **LeonRegis** » 28 Oct 2009, 20:59

Karthogen, is really easy to know it... just need use. Use the post process editor and do some experiences, I never used DOF but in the first time I already reach good results. If you need help, just PM me and a explain which thing do what..

HTH

Karthogen · Post by **Karthogen** » 29 Oct 2009, 11:32

So I gave the DOF a try. Let me know what you think. More blur? Less blur??

Karthogen · Post by **Karthogen** » 29 Oct 2009, 20:45

Thank you for the offer Leonregis. I went through two tutorials for DOF, One using a Zmap in a post process app like GIMP and another using the composite node editor in Blender.

The image above was done with teh composite node editor, Pretty simple process of setting the blur focusing the camera and render. I think it turned out pretty good, but the blurr is very subtle, maybe to subtle.

theuns · Post by **theuns** » 29 Oct 2009, 22:37

there should be a setting to blur the background as well, i don't know workspace side but i know on model side you specify what the minimum distance from the camera is that should be blurred and the maximum distance where blur should start...

Karthogen · Post by **Karthogen** » 30 Oct 2009, 01:34

I actually dont have a background image in that one. orginally started with a sphere skydome for the background but, I didn't like how it was turning out.

I created a circle around my plainand used a heightmap to create the mountain range. This left the top open and the program generates the stars in the background..

theuns · Post by **theuns** » 30 Oct 2009, 03:12

KEWL! that looks good... i should try that in modelside as well...

regardless though, you should be able to blur the background as well to keep the focus on you main object, which is the truck vehicle, right?

Karthogen · Post by **Karthogen** » 30 Oct 2009, 03:55

I will have a new render soon.. I was redoing the lighting, it was just all wrong. and I will have render shortly with the new lights and more blur.

Karthogen · Post by **Karthogen** » 30 Oct 2009, 05:23

This one has a lot more blur. The ship is the focal point, I hope you all like it. I was a little shocked by it.

LeonRegis · Post by **LeonRegis** » 30 Oct 2009, 08:59

Ow seems that you are mastering the DOF, it's quite easy after you know what to do. I don't see any problem there, maybe it have one but I can't see.

Keep the Good Work!

theuns · Post by **theuns** » 30 Oct 2009, 14:53

see what a difference it makes to blur the background details? it automatically pulls you eyes to the tower with the ship on it!

now if you can use the default "afternoon" or "noon" light library, you will see what a difference the light and shadows make to the scene as well...

Karthogen · Post by **Karthogen** » 30 Oct 2009, 15:49

i will have to take a look at that light setup. Right now I have a 3 light setup with 2 infinite lights flanking the side with a hint of blue, and on key light from the front with a hint of Yellow.

theuns · Post by **theuns** » 30 Oct 2009, 15:57

those default light setups use 8 infinites, one for the direction of the sun with a specific color for the day at 1.57 intensity, one from right above and right below with white 0.3 and five from all directions at 0.2... very nice effect, this is what i used in my Sherwood scene...

Karthogen · Post by **Karthogen** » 01 Nov 2009, 01:04

I have a few last peices to fix before I start the animation. Still working on the lights, this is more of a night scene I was considering.

theuns · Post by **theuns** » 01 Nov 2009, 18:30

looking good so far K ;)

tahnoak · Post by **tahnoak** » 01 Nov 2009, 22:29

Looking good. Suggest maybe altering the brightness of the red lights so that they are not all the same intensity. Figure even in space there is going to be an imperfect batches of lightbulbs

The other thing that jumps out at me is the brightness of the ambient light on the mountains in the background. I would think that would be pretty dark back there. I'm assuming you want the mountains to be seen to show the ruggedness of the terrain but to me the lightness of the shadows is taking away from the primary object which is the outpost.

The progression of this scene from the beginning is great to watch. Keep up the great work and thanks for sharing.

Karthogen · Post by **Karthogen** » 02 Nov 2009, 14:03

Thank you for the suggestions, I did just duplicate each of the red lights, So I will have to fix that.

I am still trying to figure out where the light is coming from on the mountains, I think I have a missing light somewhere. I would have thought if the AO was too high It would have lit the dark sides fo the model also. But, then again I am real new to this part.

theuns · Post by **theuns** » 03 Nov 2009, 06:16

Check the reflectance shader settings, K... there is a luminance setting that will light up an object even if there is no lights...

tahnoak · Post by **tahnoak** » 03 Nov 2009, 13:58

Karthogen wrote:Thank you for the suggestions, I did just duplicate each of the red lights, So I will have to fix that.

I am still trying to figure out where the light is coming from on the mountains, I think I have a missing light somewhere. I would have thought if the AO was too high It would have lit the dark sides fo the model also. But, then again I am real new to this part.

No problem. I have spent a lot of time tinkering with the lighting in my scenes to make up for my lack of modeling skills

Karthogen · Post by **Karthogen** » 06 Nov 2009, 13:09

Ok well I am starting the animation, There have not been many changes since the last update. I am going with the basic key frame animation. I have not done much post work on animations, so I am going to see about adding a title screen, transitions and an overlay in either Wiz or Blender Sequencer. Maybe even some camera shake if possible.

These MMC are always great ways for me to learn a new trick or try a new setting. Render times for my main animation look like they are going to be horendous. I will be rendering an image sequence with 300 frames, compiling the images in Virtual dub to an AVI and using that in post process.

Karthogen · Post by **Karthogen** » 08 Nov 2009, 03:02

Here is a quick test of the overlay.

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LeonRegis · Post by **LeonRegis** » 08 Nov 2009, 13:37

Cool that you're starting the animation!

tahnoak · Post by **tahnoak** » 08 Nov 2009, 13:59

Great animation...

Karthogen · Post by **Karthogen** » 09 Nov 2009, 13:43

I am hoping to hve this one completed pretty quickly and start working on an MMC robot. Should not take to long for the transitions and camera effects.

Karthogen · Post by **Karthogen** » 12 Nov 2009, 04:56

I am not to happy with it but this is my final submission. I learn something new everytime,

<object width="425" height="344"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/QGoJmCD7LTE&hl ... ram><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/QGoJmCD7LTE&hl=en_US&fs=1&" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true" width="425" height="344"></embed></object>[/youtube]

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