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Finis · Post by **Finis** » 12 Feb 2013, 17:11

Comment thread for U3DA Graphic Art Challenge February 2013 Caves and Caverns.

Main challenge thread vi ... =66&t=3915

Metaballs + physics = stalagmites and stalactites?

Draise · Post by **Draise** » 12 Feb 2013, 17:38

Cool, like the looks of this competition, may enter in here, as just recently I saw photos of the worlds largest cave in Vietnam, including forest and clouds underground!

Inspirational.

jamesmc · Post by **jamesmc** » 12 Feb 2013, 17:43

(inserts man-cave jokes)

Hmmm, interesting topic even I think I can handle.

Anyone have a torch?

I wanted to get started.

Finis · Post by **Finis** » 12 Feb 2013, 17:52

Is that Deer Cave near Sarawak Malaysia (waterfall too!) or one in Vietnam? I read a thing about Deer Cave where a claustrophobic guy toured it and didn't feel cramped.

Man cave. Hmm. Cave man man-cave. Oh been done = Flintstones. Flintstones! It doesn't have to be realistic.

jamesmc · Post by **jamesmc** » 13 Feb 2013, 15:25

Finished entry 1 so I could get my "inner cave" on. (laughs at screwball joke)

A quickie in Bryce.
Cave made in 3DCoat

Draise · Post by **Draise** » 13 Feb 2013, 16:53

Finis wrote:Is that Deer Cave near Sarawak Malaysia (waterfall too!) or one in Vietnam? I read a thing about Deer Cave where a claustrophobic guy toured it and didn't feel cramped.

That one above is the one in Vietnam. =)

Finis · Post by **Finis** » 13 Feb 2013, 17:07

Looks good James. Grotto! Another kind of cave.

Ice caves. I might try that for fun. Lots of rendering challenges like translucency.

Not Deer Cave. They keep finding bigger ones!

Finis · Post by **Finis** » 15 Feb 2013, 05:05

I experimented with methods to make stalactites.

Tried metaballs and physics in TS 7.6. Enough adhesion sticks them to each other but all of them will keep oozing down the column (metaball cylinder in the middle). To make a stalactite some would have to stop moving while others moved over them. That would build up the shape. So that didn't work.

I used Cool Powers 2 Particulator plugin to spread copies of a 20 poly geosphere over a rough shape made from a cone. That made a shape suitable for a cartoon or a base for detailing. SDS just made the spheres smooth rather than blending them. Mesh Collapse didn't change that.

I've been to Carlsbad Caverns. Who else has visited a cave or cavern?

jamesmc · Post by **jamesmc** » 15 Feb 2013, 06:03

Finis wrote:I experimented with methods to make stalactites.

Tried metaballs and physics in TS 7.6. Enough adhesion sticks them to each other but all of them will keep oozing down the column (metaball cylinder in the middle). To make a stalactite some would have to stop moving while others moved over them. That would build up the shape. So that didn't work.

I used Cool Powers 2 Particulator plugin to spread copies of a 20 poly geosphere over a rough shape made from a cone. That made a shape suitable for a cartoon or a base for detailing. SDS just made the spheres smooth rather than blending them. Mesh Collapse didn't change that.

I've been to Carlsbad Caverns. Who else has visited a cave or cavern?

Went to Carlsbad Cavern as child, watched the bats exiting the cave and what not. Funny how kids remember certain things. There was a cafeteria at the bottom and I remarked to my mother that it tasted like 'cave' (moldy and damp). She laughed and told me to eat it anyway.

There's a nice cave in San Marcos Texas I have visited and one large man-made salt cave in Kansas (near Hutchinson) that is 650 deep. In the Hutchinson salt mine is where some of the old films and even secrets of the government are stored because of the low humidity and the fact they are stored so far underground (nuclear bomb proof).

Been to smaller caves here and there and one in Germany that was converted by the Germans to store ammunition. That cave later became a "secret" communications facility.

Re: making a cave

Never thought of using particles to make a cave, but suppose one could do that. I imagine fractal programs (there are many) could be used to grow your stalagmites and 'tites'.

I prefer the sculpting option in 3Dcoat, but I suppose any application could do something similar.

Steinie · Post by **Steinie** » 15 Feb 2013, 12:31

In Missouri I went to Onondaga Cave and then Meramec Caverns where Jesse James used as a hideout. The two caves are about 50 miles apart but they are believed to be connected.

I also visited Marvel Cave many times in Silver Dollar City. ( back then the main attraction WAS the cave and Silver Dollar City was ONE street) (today Silver Dollar City is HUGE and the cave is hardly mentioned)

Also Mark Twain Cave which was written about in 5 books authored by Mark Twain

http://www.missouricaves.com/mo-map.htm"

Finis · Post by **Finis** » 18 Feb 2013, 01:02

Let's see some entries. Don't make James win by default. Main thread vi ... =66&t=3915

There are guided only tours in Carlsbad to some areas with delicate things and some where you have to crawl through openings and such to get there. I want to go on one of those. There are many caverns in that area but most aren't prepared for tourists, have no tours, or are off limits. I want to see Lechuguilla Cave but only researchers and survey teams are allowed.

Draise · Post by **Draise** » 18 Feb 2013, 04:28

I would love to enter, but i have been organizing my house and work has been hectic! But I will before the month ends!!

Finis · Post by **Finis** » 24 Feb 2013, 20:55

Get inspired to do a cave picture. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... glory.html

Finis · Post by **Finis** » 26 Feb 2013, 03:45

Challenge entries due by February 28, 2013 at midnight in your location. Put entries in the main thread.

ranger0101 · Post by **ranger0101** » 26 Feb 2013, 13:12

Here is my first entry.. Gonna try to get one more in before the deadline...

Modeled and rendered in TrueSpace Model Side.. Tweaked a little in Adobe PhotoShop CS-3.

The Cave is the Temple... Huge Cave,Huge Bridge and a hero about to reach his goal.. At least that's the idea..

CHEERS

-Tim-

Finis · Post by **Finis** » 26 Feb 2013, 20:06

Great entries with a couple done in speed modeling time!

Finis · Post by **Finis** » 27 Feb 2013, 18:12

That's the most realistic cave render ever Spacekdet! It reminds me of a psychology course I took. The book had funny cartoons and one was a black dot titled, "Rats being reared in darkness".

jamesmc · Post by **jamesmc** » 27 Feb 2013, 18:39

Finis wrote:That's the most realistic cave render ever Spacekdet! It reminds me of a psychology course I took. The book had funny cartoons and one was a black dot titled, "Rats being reared in darkness".

I agree!

None of that artificial light 'stuff' interfering with the view.

Finis · Post by **Finis** » 27 Feb 2013, 18:45

We need a wire frame Spacekdet.

jamesmc · Post by **jamesmc** » 27 Feb 2013, 18:49

Finis wrote:We need a wire frame Spacekdet.

Well, it wouldn't show up if it was just a plane.

But yes, it appears to be a requirement for entries.

Finis · Post by **Finis** » 01 Mar 2013, 18:08

Poll will start this evening (GMT -7, mountain time) or tomorrow.

Finis · Post by **Finis** » 01 Mar 2013, 22:49

The poll will run until March 5 2013 since I started it late today.

Poll Thread

Finis · Post by **Finis** » 02 Mar 2013, 05:23

If you already voted please revote. I included Spacekdet's black rectangle in the poll as a joke but removed it when it received a vote. Unfortunately that reset all the votes to zero. Sorry.

Poll Thread

Draise · Post by **Draise** » 02 Mar 2013, 15:27

Um.. there was one WIP that I saw that I really liked, that was being rendered in kyrekethea... the Ice Cave.. I didnt see it in the entries?

ranger0101 · Post by **ranger0101** » 02 Mar 2013, 18:52

Uhh.. Could be because Finis did not enter the contest or
leave any comments in comments thread..

That being said.. I would have no problem with his
entry being added and the vote tally being reset...

-peaceoout-

Tim

Finis · Post by **Finis** » 02 Mar 2013, 20:56

Glad you liked Ice Cave. I didn't enter because it is traditional for the exalted dictator of a challenge not to enter and I did the cave more to learn and experiment with KT. That first picture did turn out well though. I'll make the finished one look more like that.

Lots of great entries. It was hard for me to pick one to vote for. That's getting more common in the challenges. Everyone must be getting better at this.

spacekdet · Post by **spacekdet** » 02 Mar 2013, 21:11

Sorry about the vote snafu.

I'm feeling a little verklempt that my entry actually made it into the running, but I have to admit that it was a totally Photoshopped forgery! It wasn't a real render, but actually an extreme close up of a single black vertice.

No, just kidding again.

Like our community organizer says: Vote Early, Vote Often!

Finis · Post by **Finis** » 04 Mar 2013, 23:28

Vote! Poll Thread: vi ... =66&t=3944

Finis · Post by **Finis** » 06 Mar 2013, 01:39

The U3DAC Feb 2013 was a three way tie! Here is a tie breaker poll which will run for one day. vi ... =66&t=3948

I liked Deep Below Goblin Town which was eliminated in the first poll. It had a look, an atmosphere, to it.

pugman 1 · Post by **pugman 1** » 06 Mar 2013, 16:42

Come on everyone vote.I do not want to win
i want to take part in these comps

Finis · Post by **Finis** » 07 Mar 2013, 02:44

Pugman 1 wins!

You wrote above that you don't want to win. If you want the win then you are in charge of the next challenge. If you want to pass the win to the 2nd place person then let's break the tie between JamesMC and Ranger0101 by passing it to who ever you voted for.

Steinie · Post by **Steinie** » 07 Mar 2013, 12:18

Nice going Pugman!
Don't worry about the win, we are here to help out if you need it. YOUR idea for the next challenge is what makes the challenges important and fresh.

Finis · Post by **Finis** » 07 Mar 2013, 15:52

Yeah, what Steinie said! While it is your choice if you want the win I too would like to see you run the next challenge.

pugman 1 · Post by **pugman 1** » 07 Mar 2013, 16:41

OK,Thanks, and thank you to all who voted for me .
They all were super entrys .
I have two challenges in mind .one or the other what do you think.
1.. Insects. Rodents and reptiles
2.. Disaters

I wait tll tomorro to see wich you find the best ,then ill put up the challenge

jamesmc · Post by **jamesmc** » 07 Mar 2013, 18:01

pugman 1 wrote:OK,Thanks, and thank you to all who voted for me .
They all were super entrys .
I have two challenges in mind .one or the other what do you think.
1.. Insects. Rodents and reptiles
2.. Disaters

I wait tll tomorro to see wich you find the best ,then ill put up the challenge

I'm thinking insects, rodents and reptiles (sorry amphibians - no joy).

Perhaps Steinie can unleash his artistic fury on that?

Steinie · Post by **Steinie** » 08 Mar 2013, 14:19

I like it!

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