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RAYMAN · Post by **RAYMAN** » 02 Jan 2010, 01:32

Ok here comes my Wip..... Steinie gave me the ok that i can run this on my prefered Software ... I will be using Sketchup and Moi 3d mainly.
so here is the start.
I laid out the basement by overlapping squares that i draw and booleaned them together in Sketchup. I then erased the internal lines and pulled
the complex up in the 3d direction.... added some split lines and pulled parts of it up even more. remember Sketchup works with simple push pull action.
Then turned the building around and added the streets junctions underneath.
Thats the rough building block......

RAYMAN · Post by **RAYMAN** » 02 Jan 2010, 12:13

If I would make the windows all geometry we would get a few thousand windows which nobody could open the model of so we
are doing some baking here. First step is to model the window second step is to make a component out of this window by dragging over your window with
the left mouse button and then rightclick the mouse and choose make component. we can now save that component. Its got sticky properties
so that yo can drag it from the library onto any flat surface. note that the textures that you assign also get stored.
After that i drag it onto a flat big surface and scale it to the proportions that i need. I then array that 20 times into both directions on the 3rd layer.
I do the samed thing with all the window models that I make.
i export that into my render program and render my windowfronts.

RAYMAN · Post by **RAYMAN** » 02 Jan 2010, 12:26

Here are some more models with textures I do the same thing with them render each pane of windows out in my renderengine as a UV map...

pugman 1 · Post by **pugman 1** » 02 Jan 2010, 12:40

looking good so far,
is sketch up better than truesspace or
just easier for you?

RAYMAN · Post by **RAYMAN** » 02 Jan 2010, 13:19

pugman 1 wrote:looking good so far,
is sketch up better than truesspace or
just easier for you?

When your looking at applications there´s not a better there is the question what is faster for the job.
If youve got hundreds of the same objects and they are on a wall and all you have to do is make the object once and store it in your library
with textures applied and snapping properties its realy simple to drag it from a library right onto your surface.
apart from that the fact that you can alter your geometries whie you are creating a building is a large bonus if you work with architecture
a reason why sketchup is so common among architects.........
BIG PLUS SKETCHUP NORMAL VERSION IS ALSO FREE !
To see how to use it with truespace look into9 the tutorial section of this forum..

DanX · Post by **DanX** » 04 Jan 2010, 22:31

Interesting. That’s going to be a killer building Peter. In Sketchup making a component is the same as instancing? Or will it add a boat load of geometry to process with many copy’s on a flat surface? I have only used Sketchup to build a chair following one of their tutorials and then a bed using my own design. But during this short time the big thing I liked about Sketchup was the snap measurement tools. Makes it easy to build to scale. Very convenient.

Good luck on the competition.

Steinie · Post by **Steinie** » 04 Jan 2010, 23:58

Sketchup is a great application for modeling buildings but lousy at making organics.
trueSpace/workSpace does have snapping tools just not as refined.
Your off to a great start Rayman!

RAYMAN · Post by **RAYMAN** » 05 Jan 2010, 00:03

Steinie wrote:Sketchup is a great application for modeling buildings but lousy at making organics.
trueSpace/workSpace does have snapping tools just not as refined.
Your off to a great start Rayman!

Thats why i use different tools for different jobs.... I use Silo for organics....
As for the great start i will see..... its at least always biting off more then i can chew ....

Peter

@ Dan yes a component is like an instance ... it also behaves like it ..

RAYMAN · Post by **RAYMAN** » 08 Jan 2010, 23:18

I worked on the top of the buildings and gave them some detail but I´m slow....... some of you are almost finished already...
Peter

Steinie · Post by **Steinie** » 08 Jan 2010, 23:24

Great start Peter! Believe me I am not near being done yet.
So don't worry about being a slow poke!

tahnoak · Post by **tahnoak** » 09 Jan 2010, 14:15

Great stuff Peter... is that a VUE horizon that I see in the background

Have you upgraded to Vue 8 yet? I am considering it but probably will wait.

RAYMAN · Post by **RAYMAN** » 09 Jan 2010, 17:46

Yeah is a quick render in vue .
I did upgrade to vue 8 because it imports animated characters from truespace with Collada including full animation..
Peter

marcel · Post by **marcel** » 09 Jan 2010, 19:10

nice to see you on a MMC!
It is interesting to show what we can do with other soft. In a few years, it will not matter of the manner and only the result will be important. That is the goal.

RAYMAN · Post by **RAYMAN** » 09 Jan 2010, 19:31

marcel wrote:nice to see you on a MMC!
It is interesting to show what we can do with other soft. In a few years, it will not matter of the manner and only the result will be important. That is the goal.

It doesnt matter today either its quite a lot of work in whatever you do it......
i just answered the question....
In a few years from now there be lots of things different then today... maybe the computer dont need us anymore

Peter

RAYMAN · Post by **RAYMAN** » 09 Jan 2010, 21:08

Ok I´m continueing with some cars .... i want to do something for the bottom.
i need to keep it low poly as the whole project eats up polys rapidly......
theres going to be around 20 of them that i will copy a few times and texture tem in 3d coat..
Here you see the wires of them..All pretty fast modeling 10 minutes a piece..

Finis · Post by **Finis** » 09 Jan 2010, 21:34

Why does the poly count matter? Aren't you going to render in some program that handles ba-zillions of polygons?

RAYMAN · Post by **RAYMAN** » 09 Jan 2010, 21:54

Finis wrote:Why does the poly count matter? Aren't you going to render in some program that handles ba-zillions of polygons?

The problem is that i cant make use of instancing if i share my model with other people the file would be to big.
i always said that instancing only makes use of the same objects in a scene an can handle those pretty many times....
Once you use a scene as one piece your limited to the poly count that both your operating system and your software can handle and thats just over a million polys

If I share it as a Sketchup file I can push the limit or I can split it in layers......
here is an update with a monorail construction.....(wireframe)

DanX · Post by **DanX** » 09 Jan 2010, 23:44

Looking good Rayman

I have been UV mapping this afternoon. I need to go get 3D coat so I can paint textures. My problem is that if its painted like that then you cant get a UV map out of it? Its fine for use in VUE. I think I read somewhere that C4D has very good tools for UV mapping and painting on textures as well. But then I cant afford that anytime soon if ever.

RAYMAN · Post by **RAYMAN** » 10 Jan 2010, 00:19

Thank you Dan !
Its called Bodypaint and is an industrystandard for painting yes its good but 3d coat should do the job well ..
Everything is better then UV mapping most of the time....

I hate UV mapping !

RAYMAN · Post by **RAYMAN** » 10 Jan 2010, 01:09

Now starting to paint these low poly cars.....one by one
They will only be seen very small in the final renders....

RAYMAN · Post by **RAYMAN** » 10 Jan 2010, 03:27

a few more... to come and the monorail...

Dragneye · Post by **Dragneye** » 10 Jan 2010, 05:40

Wonderful job Peter! Wonderful

Can you tell us how you got that car texture (signal lights and all

)?

RAYMAN · Post by **RAYMAN** » 10 Jan 2010, 13:23

Dragneye wrote:Wonderful job Peter! Wonderful

Can you tell us how you got that car texture (signal lights and all )?

Thank you drew !
Simpler then you may think from actual car models and prototyps...
Peter

Breech Block · Post by **Breech Block** » 15 Jan 2010, 03:58

Wow! As per usual, your producing some pretty stunning stuff here Peter. I have always loved your Archviz stuff but I have a feeling this is gonna turn out to be one of my favourites.

RAYMAN · Post by **RAYMAN** » 15 Jan 2010, 10:41

Thanks Breech Block ! I´m going to have some time this weekend to continue some more... still a lot to do ...
Peter

tahnoak · Post by **tahnoak** » 15 Jan 2010, 22:12

love the look Peter... gonna be a great one!!

marcel · Post by **marcel** » 15 Jan 2010, 22:51

If you can't stop you will have an entire town, not a building! I know it is difficult to stop, like to stop drink wine.

RAYMAN · Post by **RAYMAN** » 19 Jan 2010, 03:23

Now that i have modeled all the 20 cars....
I am trying to keep the polycount low so i am faking some of the structures like the highway crash barriers.....
I basically made them this way .. I made and S in Moi3d and extruded that then I shelled it... i only made 1 element.
i the rendered that element in Vue with the correct material . I also made an alpha in black and white.
I imported these renders into photoshops layers one on top of the other. I then cut out that element and exported the texture and the alpha.
In Sketchup I simply made the street and extruded the boarders. I textured it so that i also had transparent parts and the texture repeats itself.... I can make
an endless highway that way with only a small texture and a few polygons. I also use bump to simulate the depth of the barriers.

RAYMAN · Post by **RAYMAN** » 19 Jan 2010, 05:46

Ok here is the highway without the signs that I still have to make .....

LeonRegis · Post by **LeonRegis** » 19 Jan 2010, 11:46

That's not a simple highway it's the AUTOBAHN!
The whole thing is looking great I liked in the last pic how you mixed image and 3D making the ground using a photo (with displacement map?) or that is 3D too?

Keep the good work!

RAYMAN · Post by **RAYMAN** » 19 Jan 2010, 12:34

leonregis wrote:That's not a simple highway it's the AUTOBAHN!
The whole thing is looking great I liked in the last pic how you mixed image and 3D making the ground using a photo (with displacement map?) or that is 3D too?

Keep the good work!

Thank you . In fact its all 3d there isnt a photo in there... but there are textures of course....
Peter

Steinie · Post by **Steinie** » 20 Jan 2010, 01:29

You certainly work large scale Peter!

I can't wait to see all this come together.

RAYMAN · Post by **RAYMAN** » 21 Jan 2010, 23:28

Steinie wrote:You certainly work large scale Peter!
I can't wait to see all this come together.

Steinie probably larger scale the i can pull off but i just finished building and texturing 17 buildings as background fillers(all low res about 400 polys each) because a normal backdrop wouldnt be high enough that you could see it well......
made traficsigns and wastepaperbaskets and lamps and lampposts and a few other props..... i´m much to slow for my project but i am happy again to be
doing 3d at all because i had not much energy left at the end of the year.....
now on to the monorailstation.....
Here are 5 of the 17 Buildings
Peter

LeonRegis · Post by **LeonRegis** » 21 Jan 2010, 23:35

They say you need to do a building but you do an entire city! Impressive!

RAYMAN · Post by **RAYMAN** » 22 Jan 2010, 01:40

leonregis wrote:They say you need to do a building but you do an entire city! Impressive!

lol !yes thanks I am trying to do as much level of detail as i can... different things will be visable frm different angles....
here is the monorail station.. I dont know how many element i will need but I made more so that I can delete what I dont need.. same with the track

RAYMAN · Post by **RAYMAN** » 22 Jan 2010, 06:10

Now comes the hard part.. i need to get all tzhe detail that i made into the scene like the monorail a fountain all the cars facing in the right direction
and a merrygoround and people (billbords) and trees ...... in front you will see the highway with the detail and cars.....
this is just a test.. what we have in here isnt to big so i´m lucky.....
i need to seperate all the lanes and run a seperate ecosystem on each of them .....
Peter

RAYMAN · Post by **RAYMAN** » 22 Jan 2010, 09:39

I´m progressing with the scene now I put together some major parts ...... the place in front of the building .. the ecosystem and some props
and most of all the bridge over the highway isnt finished yet .. plus i need a billboard for the city in the distance where the end of the highway is
and some cars... and and and......

I still need some time.......

Peter

marcel · Post by **marcel** » 22 Jan 2010, 11:10

Good work Rayman. Here is a photo i did (2008). It is the biggest tower of the work under construction. It lacks about 150 meters on the photo. It has 818 meters hight. It is much farther than it seems. Difficult to imagine the scale. When you are near the tower, its arrow shape gives the impression that it did not end.
Look at the other buildings at the bottom and the right to have an idea of the scale.

curious to see it in the desert with 47° c

Steinie · Post by **Steinie** » 22 Jan 2010, 13:00

Peter this is all on a platform right?
I laughed when I saw your rendering with all red cars. Remember
Henry Ford "you can have any color car you want as long as it is Black..."

RAYMAN · Post by **RAYMAN** » 22 Jan 2010, 14:45

Steinie wrote:Peter this is all on a platform right?
I laughed when I saw your rendering with all red cars. Remember
Henry Ford "you can have any color car you want as long as it is Black..."

@ Steinie Yes this is all on a plattform except for the filler buildings in the background and the backdrop of the city... the red cars are just placeholders...... I need to import the other lowres cars when I get them all painted.....
@ Marcel Thanks Marcel that is a very nice building looks very tall !

DanX · Post by **DanX** » 22 Jan 2010, 19:44

Nice work Peter.

It is coming together nicely.

RAYMAN · Post by **RAYMAN** » 23 Jan 2010, 03:07

Thanks Dan ! I figured out that i not only need very low poly for the cars but if i want to use all of them in the distance i cant realy go much larger then 512x´512 for the whole texture of the car so I painted them pretty low res....
Theynow load very easily and hold up in the far distance .. in the near distance I will go folr over 2000 pixelm wide for the tex..
Peter

LeonRegis · Post by **LeonRegis** » 23 Jan 2010, 11:24

I think cars should be less colorful, in the max red and blue and try to focus on black, white and silver. But if you want this colorful mood, keep it... maybe in the future the cars choices become more colorful.

RAYMAN · Post by **RAYMAN** » 23 Jan 2010, 15:50

It only looks that colorfull if they are packed into so little space but i only have shades of grey and blue in the scene so a little colr i think wont be wrong...

marcel · Post by **marcel** » 23 Jan 2010, 16:14

I think they need to learn how to drive a car!

RAYMAN · Post by **RAYMAN** » 23 Jan 2010, 19:18

marcel wrote:I think they need to learn how to drive a car!

That is a picture of the "la Peripherique on Freiday 19:00 !!! "

ok here are some more props that I made some pretty simple designs .......

marcel · Post by **marcel** » 23 Jan 2010, 20:29

good one. If you put a man near the trash, you can see the lamp should be higher compared to the trash.

Finis · Post by **Finis** » 23 Jan 2010, 20:58

I like those props. Interesting sculpture. It reminds me of the brass ball thing inside my shower's control.

RAYMAN · Post by **RAYMAN** » 23 Jan 2010, 21:09

@ Marcel yes those are not in scale i just made a fast render to show the design but the trash will be much smaller but you wouldnt see it well here
@ finis yeah thanks I just wanted to make something simple because i´m already running out of time my job is taking me up.....
Peter

RAYMAN · Post by **RAYMAN** » 24 Jan 2010, 02:20

Ok I´m adding things as I am going ... also testing the different views..

Dragneye · Post by **Dragneye** » 24 Jan 2010, 02:29

This is coming along wonderfully Peter.
Shoot, I'm going to have to get into this Vue thing sooner or later

DanX · Post by **DanX** » 24 Jan 2010, 13:52

Looking good! On your trees did you place them by hand , paint them with the eco painter or drive an ecosystem with nodes? Just wandering because the trees line nicely up beside the street and building?

RAYMAN · Post by **RAYMAN** » 24 Jan 2010, 15:18

@ Dragneye Thank you very much.... I like it its so simple to work with
@ Dan I placed them one by one with hand. but with the ecosystem painter so that it uses less memory.....

here the carrussell it has a very small texture and is only about 1000 polys..... I need to save on size...
Peter

pugman 1 · Post by **pugman 1** » 24 Jan 2010, 15:26

HEY stop ,do you want to win

lookung great dude

RAYMAN · Post by **RAYMAN** » 24 Jan 2010, 16:10

pugman 1 wrote:HEY stop ,do you want to win
lookung great dude

I am just beginning now....

here is some flags i´m not going to uv map them because I dont have much time left and i wouldnt know what nationality.... so just colors and a few wind dynamics
they were made with moi´s loft tool.. you just draw 2 curves thats it...

marcel · Post by **marcel** » 24 Jan 2010, 17:46

Now it is not a building, it is a city.

on the "view top new web.jpg" we see a hard corner for the street. I hope you will do a curved street?

RAYMAN · Post by **RAYMAN** » 24 Jan 2010, 18:06

No there will be a traffic island there and a few parked cars.. so the street will have a sharp turn there......
i´m also running out of time i need to put everything together now.....
another last update for you all then off to the big renders...... here is one for you Marcel a Paris style advertising column something old that lasted out all the times

marcel · Post by **marcel** » 24 Jan 2010, 19:36

RAYMAN wrote:...here is one for you Marcel a Paris style advertising column something old that lasted out all the times

Named colonne Morris. You have that kind of advertising in germany too. Here is another model with robots.

RAYMAN · Post by **RAYMAN** » 24 Jan 2010, 19:57

marcel wrote:
RAYMAN wrote:...here is one for you Marcel a Paris style advertising column something old that lasted out all the times
Named colonne Morris. You have that kind of advertising in germany too. Here is another model with robots.

Exactly Marcel ! I tweaked it a little....... its a classic !
here is a walking man that i made about 800 polys and painted with 512x512 px......

RAYMAN · Post by **RAYMAN** » 25 Jan 2010, 04:36

Ok here we are realy working in a big scale since i want to only do this with 3d apart from textures I also create the backdrop
for my building in 3d. i posted some of the simple buildings above... I made 16 different ones.
I now put them into the ecosystem of Vue and this time I went into its linkeditor or node editor and introduced a scalemap that drives the
distribution of the buildings so that i get larger buildings in the darker areas of my map and smaller ones at the outside where the map blends into white.
I get this render with it that serves as the backdrop (yes now I made a city ... a very big one).
All highways end in big cities.....
The nice sideeffect of Vue is that it also renders the alphamap of your ecosystem so that its easy to set up a plane in the background now......

RAYMAN · Post by **RAYMAN** » 25 Jan 2010, 05:36

Here is the last car that I made ... its the one from back for the right highway lane...
Has a seperat reflection map for more and better reflections....

noko · Post by **noko** » 25 Jan 2010, 08:22

This is really looking awesome! Are some of these vue renders or Workspace renders?

RAYMAN · Post by **RAYMAN** » 25 Jan 2010, 12:07

noko wrote:This is really looking awesome! Are some of these vue renders or Workspace renders?

Noko thank you ! These are all Vue renders.....
Peter

RAYMAN · Post by **RAYMAN** » 25 Jan 2010, 23:45

Here are the pictures in low resolution some high res pictures will follow soon after ... in a finished work thread..
I pöost here the tools used... Truespace Moi3d and Silo and Sketchup for modeling and 3d Coat for painting
Photoshop for the textures...
The whole project was then hoasted and rendered In Vue 8 Inf.

i will continue with the project and also make some night scenes because it can all be illuminated.....
Peter

RAYMAN · Post by **RAYMAN** » 26 Jan 2010, 00:22

Here is some of what i was staring at for 3 weeks....

RAYMAN · Post by **RAYMAN** » 26 Jan 2010, 00:25

And because Finis asked some statistics ...

Peter

RAYMAN · Post by **RAYMAN** » 26 Jan 2010, 00:50

Here is the tabletop view

DanX · Post by **DanX** » 26 Jan 2010, 19:52

Very good work Peter! Will be a great final render.

Breech Block · Post by **Breech Block** » 27 Jan 2010, 00:18

Just 2 words. TOTALLY AWESOME!

RAYMAN · Post by **RAYMAN** » 27 Jan 2010, 00:28

Dan and Breech thank you guys !
its getting me back to 3d.....

Peter

Finis · Post by **Finis** » 27 Jan 2010, 00:55

Rayman shows both that 3D artists can do great work and how much one artist can do with enough knowledge.

RAYMAN · Post by **RAYMAN** » 27 Jan 2010, 02:40

Thanks Finis ! I showed some patience this time to go through the whole job..... it wouldnt have been possible without you guys.. thanks
for you help and encouragement !
Peter

theuns · Post by **theuns** » 28 Jan 2010, 11:32

Great stuff Rayman! Very well done, gonna save this thread as a tutorial ;)

I've got Vue 8 Pioneer and will still model in trueSpace (although I got Cararra but haven't learned how to use it yet) so I will continue with my building/city block idea I wanted to do for the challenge :)

marcel · Post by **marcel** » 28 Jan 2010, 11:39

RAYMAN wrote:Thanks Finis ! I showed some patience this time to go through the whole job..... it wouldnt have been possible without you guys.. thanks
for you help and encouragement !
Peter

Why there is no people in the cars?

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