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Steinie · Post by **Steinie** » 10 Aug 2011, 01:41

Jeff Roig had asked for a Male Turtle for his Animation Project so I decided to design one.
Since this model is high poly it will need Retopo for animation purposes. No way of knowing if this critter
will fit the movie style but what the heck, it will be a fun time modeling him...

jamesmc · Post by **jamesmc** » 10 Aug 2011, 03:30

hah!

Love it.

Great character.

pugman 1 · Post by **pugman 1** » 10 Aug 2011, 15:58

Nice start steinie ,hope it makes the grade for jeff

Steinie · Post by **Steinie** » 12 Aug 2011, 21:58

OK I think I have a process down. Here is the Turtle Head Low Poly.
Next the turtle shell.

jamesmc · Post by **jamesmc** » 12 Aug 2011, 23:26

Was checking out MakeHuman again and found it to be a super easy way to make a humanoid model.

Must be some fine UVmapping by the author as this 'fatboy' I made seemed to be already mapped!

Anyways, another option for you, if'n you need a body to drop that head on or a body to sculpt over. You know, the easy way. heh

Oh yeah, I popped it into Zbrush 4.0 to use the UVMapper plug-in

The UV map:

Steinie · Post by **Steinie** » 13 Aug 2011, 03:49

Thanks James I too haven't looked at MakeHuman in awhile. I need to check it out.
Here is the Turtle with his new home.
Next the arms and legs...

pugman 1 · Post by **pugman 1** » 13 Aug 2011, 10:18

Looking cool as always ,glad you sorted your problem out
Ralph

Steinie · Post by **Steinie** » 13 Aug 2011, 13:04

I'm glad you like the progress Ralph.
Consider web rear feet for your frog. Get some updates for us because I love to watch other artist working.
(It keeps my lazy butt from working)

My flow is a pain and mucho grande work but worth it in the end I think. So far my poly count is 6399
which is pretty low. I'm debating whether to model a body with arms and legs then put it inside the shell or
arms legs separately.
Signing off,
Walt D.......nahhhh

Signing off,
Steinie (I'm dreaming)

pugman 1 · Post by **pugman 1** » 13 Aug 2011, 13:27

Keep dreaming Steinie and also keep working

good idea with the feet iv been trying and trying to get them right
and im still trying

what a pain they are

jamesmc · Post by **jamesmc** » 13 Aug 2011, 18:38

Looking good Steinster!

Hmm, you can have it both ways with the shell ya know.

Do the shell separately from the arms and if and when you export it out, it can be exported as a group object or a single mesh where the shell is just part of the body.

Since all the painting will be done, if it were me, I'd make in one piece.

But, not sure how deformation in animation would go with the shell and arm interface.

MIght have to put on my thinking cap for that to create a good edge flow between shell and arm.

Steinie · Post by **Steinie** » 13 Aug 2011, 23:15

Thanks James.
The good news is if you all don't like this model we can have soup instead.

Next on the list.. legs...TWO of them!...

or I could make him a turtle pirate with a peg leg.

clintonman · Post by **clintonman** » 14 Aug 2011, 16:04

I love the expression on his face.

Steinie · Post by **Steinie** » 14 Aug 2011, 17:04

Thanks Clintonman!
Here is the complete model. I hope you all like him.

pugman 1 · Post by **pugman 1** » 14 Aug 2011, 17:09

He is so cool,

nice one steinie

trueBlue · Post by **trueBlue** » 14 Aug 2011, 17:14

Then I was like...Whoa, totally COOL dude!

RAYMAN · Post by **RAYMAN** » 14 Aug 2011, 19:15

Steinie wrote:Thanks Clintonman!
Here is the complete model. I hope you all like him.

Get him animated before Disney gets hold of him !
Realy nice job Steinie !
Peter

jeffroig · Post by **jeffroig** » 14 Aug 2011, 21:53

Steinie,
I knew you were up for the challenge and you have more than met the model type.
You are thinking along the same lines as I was imagining.
Great work.

Can you put him in a T-Pose?

Steinie · Post by **Steinie** » 14 Aug 2011, 23:45

Jeff, The turtle is taking a break before the kiddie show...

Pugman, Jeff, TrueBlue, James, Clintonman Froo and Rayman this ones for you!

jeffroig · Post by **jeffroig** » 15 Aug 2011, 00:38

Great job in modeling.
What software are you using now?
Can you add some teeth so when he smiles they will show.

jamesmc · Post by **jamesmc** » 15 Aug 2011, 05:35

Oh yeah Steinster, that's what I'm talking about!

I saw some teeth in there, pretty sure I did.

MikomDude · Post by **MikomDude** » 15 Aug 2011, 06:58

Funny Turtle

Finis · Post by **Finis** » 15 Aug 2011, 15:50

Great work! Your characters have always been awesome but now your doing even better work. "Pushing the envelope", "Expanding the frontiers", ... The Sculptris and 3D Coat type of modeling and painting is really good for you.

Sometimes the right medium is what an artist needs. I took some painting classes and the teacher saw what I was trying do with light using acrylics and recommended oils. That set me free to create instead of struggle. I think you have found your oils.

The bad turtle pictures give me the impression of a turtle celebrity. He acts a part but then the paparazzi (hey! I spelled that right!) catch him off guard.

RAYMAN · Post by **RAYMAN** » 15 Aug 2011, 17:09

Finis wrote:Great work! Your characters have always been awesome but now your doing even better work. "Pushing the envelope", "Expanding the frontiers", ... The Sculptris and 3D Coat type of modeling and painting is really good for you.

Sometimes the right medium is what an artist needs. I took some painting classes and the teacher saw what I was trying do with light using acrylics and recommended oils. That set me free to create instead of struggle. I think you have found your oils.

The bad turtle pictures give me the impression of a turtle celebrity. He acts a part but then the paparazzi (hey! I spelled that right!) catch him off guard.

Steinie didnt find his tool but tools like Sculptris and for edgy type models Sketchup are made for roughing in
shapes and bringing things that are in your head onto paper...another way of doing it can be a piece of paper.....
modelers like any subd modeler take to much time to put things onto canvas in a fast way.....
still you need those other tools to refine your meshes and get your polycount down to a much more workable
level.....
Some people even start with zspheres and then detail the models.......

Bottom line any tool that works for you is the right tool.....
Peter

jeffroig · Post by **jeffroig** » 15 Aug 2011, 18:37

Here is the start of the pond where the turtle will be.

Steinie · Post by **Steinie** » 15 Aug 2011, 19:06

Jeff, What actions do you expect from the Turtle? Right now the arms, legs, head and eyes are separate objects. If he is not walking then I'll just combine the legs to the shell. If you want arm movement I'll need to figure out how to combine the arms to the shell so that they can still be animated. If only the head and eyes are animated then the character could be considered done.

Thank you MikomDude and Finis! It is always nice to have someone respond to my work.

Peter, as you always say, there is always an application that can make our job easier. (sometimes better). I have tried ZBrush and cannot get used to it's interface and overload of tools. I really like the simplicity that Sculptris offers the Artist. You only need a pencil to draw. When a program gets too technical I start thinking of the tools rather then the art. Depending on what I want to do Sculptris fits in perfectly for my Character creations. The Paint functions are perfect.
Having an arsenal of programs at my disposal certainly makes the technical aspects less daunting.

That is why for years my Profile list one of my interest ...#2 pencil. Simple and it works.

jamesmc · Post by **jamesmc** » 15 Aug 2011, 19:17

I'll need to figure out how to combine the arms to the shell so that they can still be animated.

Hey! No problems for a stepper like yourself Steinie.

You just need to match up the points so they can weld nicely (arms, legs, head to body/neck, etc.)

For instance, if the turtle arm as 15 vertices and the body where the are should go has 13 vertices, you'll need to make an adjustment where two more vertices are added to the body (probably in the back unseen.) Or can to the other way around, but the 15 vertices on the hand might be vital to the shape of the hand - dunno.

Same with the other detached objects you want to attach, just match up the vertices count, then it's a matter of just welding them puppies together!

jeffroig · Post by **jeffroig** » 15 Aug 2011, 19:36

If you will just glue them as siblings and then save it as a TS native file COB and export it out as a OBJ I will take care of the rest.
I have to create groups for the parts so I can use it in Maya.

Steinie · Post by **Steinie** » 16 Aug 2011, 00:20

Jeff, can you clarify what you would like? You asked for a cob and then mentioned an obj. file. What will happen to the model and textures when I send it
back to the Modeler side? Won't the textures get clobbered? If I use Froo's Exporter the quads will become tris. Can I 3DEncapsulate the model in workSpace
and send you an obj file using Froo's Exporter?
What is the best way to handle this?

froo · Post by **froo** » 16 Aug 2011, 02:35

Lookin good Steinie!
It's really cool to see a group of folks here working together on an animation project!

Steinie · Post by **Steinie** » 16 Aug 2011, 17:44

Jeff, let me know if you find problems with the Turtle. If you hit it once with the poly reduction tool it brings the poly count down quite a bit with out visual deterioration. That is up to you.

Jason, Yes it is a different type of challenge when many people work on a similar project. I had fun working on it.
Back to the MMCs and SMCs...M&Ms....

jeffroig · Post by **jeffroig** » 16 Aug 2011, 21:32

Steinie,
I got the turtle this morning and work on it a little bit before leaving for work.
By working on it I mean, I placed the eyes in the head and exported him out as a OBJ in Maya.
I then added some highlight to the eyes and the shell.
You did great on this one.
Here is a image of him from Maya.
I also removed the rock.

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