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ranger0101 · Post by **ranger0101** » 11 May 2010, 22:14

Hi All...

Ihope this is the right place to post this...
My textures were just fine as in the pic with textures..
Untill I added the big wall and saved it...
When I reloaded it... No textured...

I am using TrueSpace 7.6.1 b8 Model side...
HDRI light and one infinite light..

I am perplexed...

Cheers

LeonRegis · Post by **LeonRegis** » 11 May 2010, 23:27

The bridge is on? Do you went to the workspace and then come back to the modelside?

spacekdet · Post by **spacekdet** » 12 May 2010, 04:10

The Texture Troll (who lives beneath the bridge) strikes again!

clintonman · Post by **clintonman** » 12 May 2010, 04:20

The bridge can be bad to materials. In the future you can minimize the damage by using incremental saves. myfile01, myfile02 ... It can eat up hard disk space but it's a good safety net.

marcel · Post by **marcel** » 12 May 2010, 06:06

look like a ts 7.6 scene loaded on TS 6.6
Difficult to know where is the real problem but if you work with the model side you need to use TS 7.6 (bridge off), not TS 7.61. this version has a lot of problem of setting. You can try to rename the .bak file to .scn to save the last good scene (if you have not saved the bad scene again). Other thing: when you want to keep a complex textured scene, use the archive function to create a folder with all the texture and the scene.

ranger0101 · Post by **ranger0101** » 12 May 2010, 08:22

Dang that old bridge..anyway...

Thanks everybody... That was it
the bridge was set to auto... I did'nt switch
back and forth from model to workspace...
just having the bridge on auto makes model side
flakey...

If you ask me.. When they created the stand
alone version of TrueSpace they tossed out
the wrong side...

any way... I turned off the Bridge
and all i Golden...

All is fixed.. Scenes save perfectly..
Truespace is all together Happier..

Check out my WIP... Stone City...
Tear it apart... That's why it's there...

Thanks Again

CHEERS

Emmanuel · Post by **Emmanuel** » 12 May 2010, 08:27

ranger0101 wrote: If you ask me.. When they created the stand
alone version of TrueSpace they tossed out
the wrong side...

Hehe, I love that phrase

100% agree

marcel · Post by **marcel** » 12 May 2010, 10:39

Use workspace and model side as 2 separate soft and bridge as a plugin to convert the scene from one side, sorry one soft to another soft (not think modelside as a plugin as said Caligari). Both soft are too uncompatible: different system of animation, different system of bones, different file format, different directx, etc...
The best is to use TS7.6 modelside bridge off and TS 7.61 standalone if you want to try workspace. Sure a TS 6.8 (model side only with hdri) would be better if you use only this side.

bitkar · Post by **bitkar** » 13 May 2010, 12:30

I listened to marcel.. I work in 7.6 modeler and now having hard times to render my house scene. Says error in rendering. I tryied to render the scene in 7.6.1 B8 and it renders whithout problems.

So Iam really confused which modelside version is better :-/
btw: I installed the unofficiall patches on both versions.

Maybe I should give a chance to the 7.6.1. What do you think? (I almost dont workspace side)

ranger0101 · Post by **ranger0101** » 13 May 2010, 17:10

Hi Bit...

All I can say is I swiched to 7.6 and it
appears to be mutch more stable.
I have not had any render problems
as such... In fact for some reason a bunch
of HDRI images in my HDRI folder which
would not even show up in TrueSpace 7.6.1
do show up in 7.6 and work fine...
Now.. my render time has increased by about
20% on large scenes but the results are
better... I think this is because LightWorks
is working properly..
For now at Least I'm sticking with 7.6

CHEERS

bitkar · Post by **bitkar** » 13 May 2010, 17:23

hm, I have render problem with vray in 7.6

Steinie · Post by **Steinie** » 13 May 2010, 18:31

I thought that there was a patch from Tiles to fix VRay and tS7.61. If you installed an
older version of trueSpace I would consider a reinstall of VRay to fix it.

bitkar · Post by **bitkar** » 14 May 2010, 09:25

yes, I have the patch for 7.61. As I wrote, I have rendering problem in 7.6, 7.61 works fine!
Curently Iam doing my scenes in 7.61 to test it more, and so far Iam happy with it. I almost have next house viz, which Iam unable to render in 7.6.
I was using 7.6 with bridge off so far.

ranger0101 · Post by **ranger0101** » 15 May 2010, 06:37

hay bit...

I have to eat my words.. 7.6 got very crashy..
I mean a couple times each session..
I'm back to using 7.6.1 b8 bridge off and all is well

CHEERS

Steinie · Post by **Steinie** » 15 May 2010, 14:03

bitkar, I think you misunderstood my answer.
Maybe VRay is not backwards compatable because we applied a patch to it.
So removing and then reinstalling VRay might fix your problem.

bitkar · Post by **bitkar** » 15 May 2010, 18:25

Steinie wrote:bitkar, I think you misunderstood my answer.
Maybe VRay is not backwards compatable because we applied a patch to it.
So removing and then reinstalling VRay might fix your problem.

thats not the way it is. The vray is intalled for each tS saparatelly. So I patched only that one in 7.61.

ranger: I had 7.6 stable, perfectly. Only problem was very complex scene (grass etc.), than vray rendering failed. For normal scenes that worked. And work (manipulating with objects etc.) worked withou problems for me. Just my experience, for everyone to know if they are deciding which one to use. Iam testing the 7.61 and iam pretty happy so far. But its also not 100% with the vray rendering.

marcel · Post by **marcel** » 17 May 2010, 11:41

@Biktar: model side is REALLY better on 7.6 because there is no update for this side in 7.61. just more problem (as hdri setting not saved when you save your scene).
Maybe your problem with 7.6 is because you try a scene made with TS 7.61
If you start a new project with 7.6 you will have not the problem that you show. but never change the version of TS during a project. Try to finish your project with 7.61.
texture from 6.6 not compatible with 7.6 model side.
texture from 7.6 model side not compatible with 7.61 model side.
All i can say is it would be impossible to do my complex project B.O.T. with 7.61!!!
I think Caligari did anything too quickly during his last months. Without doubt, overtaken by events.

bitkar · Post by **bitkar** » 17 May 2010, 15:36

marcel: i dont know where your info comes from, but i think there are some changes, because the problematic scene was made in 7.6.

texture from 6.6 not compatible with 7.6 model side.
texture from 7.6 model side not compatible with 7.61 model side.

you mean procedural? I dont use them. I used it only once recently, I was lazy and wanted to test it. I will use only plain texture images.

btw: problem with saving... I think my vray settings (light color, intensity, GI settings etc.) are not saved with a scene (scn). Is it normal?? Coz I have feeling that it was saved with the scene file some time ago. But now Iam not sure. vray settings work just for whole tS, not per scene.

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