Tyrants can never allow free speech and the free flow of ideas. They must always decide what you are allowed to think, to know, to say, to do ... to be.
R.I.P. Internet Freedom
R.I.P. Internet Freedom
Amendment I
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
One law that violates every part of the First Amendment. That's quite an accomplishment.
R.I.P. Internet Freedom
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Finis
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R.I.P. Internet Freedom
I prefer dangerous freedom over peaceful servitude. -- Thomas Jefferson/Jean Jacques Rousseau
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Re: R.I.P. Internet Freedom
Sadly, it really doesn't surprise me as the FCC wants to regulate everything. I work in the TV industry at a non profit Christian TV station and the FCC about killed the station a few years back when HDTV was mandated for all broadcast TV stations to upgrade their equipment or lose their license to broadcast in the U.S. What can we do though?
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RAYMAN
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Re: R.I.P. Internet Freedom
Sadly even in democracy you get what you vote !
The people need to remember who were the first
to take away the freedom and give it to the big
global players...... and no its not the whole world
who decided this way its basicaly just one country..
......... and all of you who know me here ...I am
in no way anywhere near having any socialist
ideas... I m just a very late member of the 68 generation
who thought in the direction of a more modern and nicer
world.....
Who do you think decided there should be no more
middle class in the U.S.? ...and just the poor.. and a few
that have no idea whatsover how the can count whatever
they will ever have in the pockets.....
In the end... well.....with the money you can buy justice....!
And you can take away the rights from the others....
The people need to remember who were the first
to take away the freedom and give it to the big
global players...... and no its not the whole world
who decided this way its basicaly just one country..
in no way anywhere near having any socialist
ideas... I m just a very late member of the 68 generation
who thought in the direction of a more modern and nicer
world.....
Who do you think decided there should be no more
middle class in the U.S.? ...and just the poor.. and a few
that have no idea whatsover how the can count whatever
they will ever have in the pockets.....
In the end... well.....with the money you can buy justice....!
And you can take away the rights from the others....
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Finis
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Re: R.I.P. Internet Freedom
This is a U.S. law not other countries or a treaty or such. Most countries already have much worse control over the internet and speech and everything. Most countries don't and never did have freedom to lose. These things have happened to America because the people have thrown away the strength and virtue that makes one worthy of freedom and able to keep it and have become like the subjects of those other countries.
I prefer dangerous freedom over peaceful servitude. -- Thomas Jefferson/Jean Jacques Rousseau
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Dragneye
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Re: R.I.P. Internet Freedom
I salute you Finis for, ... well, ... Giving a shit. And actually saying it openly.
So very true, this system though never a democracy (Funny thing. In the over than 4000 words of our Constitution, I heard that not once is the word 'Democracy' mentioned. I posit that it was avoided on purpose) is one that is unique throughout all history. It offers the people, the masses, the slaves, the servants, the workers... the power to Actually rule themselves for once. With the possibility of honest justice for all.
And yet...
I pose this question to the Americans among us...
If you had time to watch a tv show for an hour, when was the last time you watched C-Span... for ANY length of time. Just to see what is being said, done, and how it's being defended by 'your representative in government'?
How about movies. I bet if I said "have you heard of 'The Green Mile'?", most of you would know the film. But how many of you have heard of 'The Green Zone'? How many mention That in conversation?
... get it?
Do you really think anyone will care about Your world ... more than You??
Keep on rockin' in the free world y'all.
So very true, this system though never a democracy (Funny thing. In the over than 4000 words of our Constitution, I heard that not once is the word 'Democracy' mentioned. I posit that it was avoided on purpose) is one that is unique throughout all history. It offers the people, the masses, the slaves, the servants, the workers... the power to Actually rule themselves for once. With the possibility of honest justice for all.
And yet...
I pose this question to the Americans among us...
If you had time to watch a tv show for an hour, when was the last time you watched C-Span... for ANY length of time. Just to see what is being said, done, and how it's being defended by 'your representative in government'?
How about movies. I bet if I said "have you heard of 'The Green Mile'?", most of you would know the film. But how many of you have heard of 'The Green Zone'? How many mention That in conversation?
... get it?
Do you really think anyone will care about Your world ... more than You??
Keep on rockin' in the free world y'all.
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RAYMAN
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Re: R.I.P. Internet Freedom
The people realy??????? Have you Finis or have you Dragneye thrown away theseFinis wrote: These things have happened to America because the people have thrown away the strength and virtue that makes one worthy of freedom ....
American ......pieces of common sence? "NO"!! Not realy you havent.....!
So yes there must be some who did! Those did somethimg.....they have thrown
away these rights for all of us......in the western hemisphere..!
Difference is the US citizens were asked through elections what
direction the WESTERN... world would lead to..... most others had to accept!
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Re: R.I.P. Internet Freedom
"We have to pass the bill to see what's in it."
"You didn't build that."
"At this point what difference does it make?"
Assholes, the lot of them.
I don't vote for assholes.
"You didn't build that."
"At this point what difference does it make?"
Assholes, the lot of them.
I don't vote for assholes.
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Dragneye
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Re: R.I.P. Internet Freedom
Peter, in a population of roughly 200 million possible opinions when only a few thousand make the effort, by and large the masses pacify themselves with the thought that people in office will do what's best and don't get involved in discourse, even as they berate all politicians 'as crooks/assholes'. But like any household, business, or govt, one must keep tabs, ask questions, ponder, if the 'ship is on course'. The 'course' is the laws we have. The 'spirit' of what they were enacted for. Enter attorneys, legaleze, and private interests and you have what we have today. The Wonderful social pieces of paper called the Constitution and Bill of Rights are being twisted to the point of making them almost meaningless.
The short of it: We the people are not exercising our Responsibility to keep the concept, ideals, and law as intentioned, in the forefront of our interests. To sit in a cafe or on Facebook and complain, yet not spend any time looking into the subject of our discontent, is meaningless, hopeless, and plays right into the hands of those trying to usurp what is.
In Europe, you all spend many hours talking politics. In the U.S., it is frowned upon in public. Worse, one may be targeted for it nowadays by the very same 'democratically elected' govt. In the system that is the free-est, giving their citizens a very effective way of effecting change if needed, we care the least. So something like bulk data collection, targeting dissenting groups, creating outrageous classifications like 'domestic terrorist' for our own people/citizens, and having 'international law' over-ruling our domestic laws...( in our own country!)... well, that's what one gets... for not giving a shit and believing blindly and not appreciating what wiser men before us have continuously warned about.
Pacification is convenient, but not healthy.
C-Span is your friend. We paid for it, shouldn't we at least see what's on?
Here's a question: how many of us in the US can name the subject and in what context the 3 phrases spacekdet mentioned come from?
Would make a nice facebook quiz. I'd love to read the replies.
The short of it: We the people are not exercising our Responsibility to keep the concept, ideals, and law as intentioned, in the forefront of our interests. To sit in a cafe or on Facebook and complain, yet not spend any time looking into the subject of our discontent, is meaningless, hopeless, and plays right into the hands of those trying to usurp what is.
In Europe, you all spend many hours talking politics. In the U.S., it is frowned upon in public. Worse, one may be targeted for it nowadays by the very same 'democratically elected' govt. In the system that is the free-est, giving their citizens a very effective way of effecting change if needed, we care the least. So something like bulk data collection, targeting dissenting groups, creating outrageous classifications like 'domestic terrorist' for our own people/citizens, and having 'international law' over-ruling our domestic laws...( in our own country!)... well, that's what one gets... for not giving a shit and believing blindly and not appreciating what wiser men before us have continuously warned about.
Pacification is convenient, but not healthy.
C-Span is your friend. We paid for it, shouldn't we at least see what's on?
Here's a question: how many of us in the US can name the subject and in what context the 3 phrases spacekdet mentioned come from?
Would make a nice facebook quiz. I'd love to read the replies.