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Prodigy · Post by **Prodigy** » 06 Jul 2009, 03:07

Please add your comments here

Happy Modeling

Post by **Mr. 3d** » 06 Jul 2009, 20:03

NICE nigec!!! I like your texturing and lighting also!!!

nigec · Post by **nigec** » 06 Jul 2009, 20:56

The light.. is just the local light in the library, with the shadows set high, if its set low you get a weird square, you can see what I mean with my planet smc on the pole table, but It added to the effect rather than spoil it... I use that light quite a lot lol

Post by **Mr. 3d** » 06 Jul 2009, 21:56

nigec wrote:... but It added to the effect rather than spoil it.

Agreed...lighting is a big part of the illusion !

Post by **Mr. 3d** » 07 Jul 2009, 07:29

VERY NICE Prodigy !!! I really like your sunlight also !!!

nigec · Post by **nigec** » 07 Jul 2009, 11:31

Great job Prodigy, good to see you coming out to play!

theuns · Post by **theuns** » 07 Jul 2009, 13:14

Wooohooo! The SMC tradition continues! ;)

Now I gotta get modeling...

Johny · Post by **Johny** » 07 Jul 2009, 13:16

Nice render Prodigy!

Prodigy · Post by **Prodigy** » 07 Jul 2009, 15:05

Thanks guys!

We need at least another 8 entries!!! So come on, start to move your mouse and improve your modeling skills today!!

Remember my entries doesn't count.

Karthogen · Post by **Karthogen** » 08 Jul 2009, 13:12

So with the SMC and the two hour limit.

Is this just the Vase modeling limit? Is there is extra time for the background, plants, etc... that will be included in the final render? Or is the two hour modeling limit for anything associated with the vase including it's contents?

I am trying to find some time and I see a window opening up here shortly.

theuns · Post by **theuns** » 08 Jul 2009, 13:51

for SMC you should focus only on the model, you don't even need to add other objects or a background... the focus is the model, you have 2 hours to build the actual model, then the rest of the week is for texturing and rendering and if you want, a background...

I know recent SMCs only had the object itself without even textures or colors, but this one you can add those if you want. Personally, I'm just going to do the model, maybe some basic colors but nothing fancy....

The MMC one is about the whole scene and that one is about 3 weeks long in total...

Karthogen · Post by **Karthogen** » 08 Jul 2009, 15:49

Makes Sense, thank you for the clarification.

I would assume honor system on the 2 hours? or we looing at screen grabs with clock for stop and start times?

nigec · Post by **nigec** » 08 Jul 2009, 16:01

Yeah we just trust each other

most of us confess up if we run over, plus we'll take into account of computers throwing a wobbley! I know a few of us have had crashes and losing the work

Prodigy · Post by **Prodigy** » 08 Jul 2009, 16:14

2 Hours to spend on modeling.
Texture, Shader, Rendering time, Composition and Post processing doesn't count..

But im not agree at all that leave the model without texture or shader..
We need to increase the lvl of our quality, not just modeling.. Do you think i enter on SMC just for modeling?? no, i learn a lot in many other aspects like texturing UV etc..

Check this other Speed modeling community.
3dm3 link

Leave the model without texture is like build a ferrari with bicycle wheels.. Something will not work and is not the chassis..

So my opinion is create a model that Visually WORKS, no matter if its low polygon or its 2m poly.. We need to use our creativity to add that WOW effect..

theuns · Post by **theuns** » 08 Jul 2009, 16:18

like niceg said, we are an honest bunch over here (sometimes too honest ;)

and since there is no prizes, its just for the fun and love of it, plus the experience and keeping the grey matter fresh with creative juices :)

Prodigy: MMC is the one where you focus on all aspects of the design process IMHO, modeling is to learn how to model and to model quickly, which is especially helpful for game designing but also to make deadlines for big projects where you can't spend a lot of time on most models...

then there is the recently started Texturing competition (TC?) which is also a great one to learn from...

Karthogen · Post by **Karthogen** » 08 Jul 2009, 16:20

Great thanks for the clarification.

I am in as soon as I can get two hours free.

I still have to finish my MMC also.

Post by **Mr. 3d** » 08 Jul 2009, 16:56

Karthogen wrote:Is this just the Vase modeling limit? Is there is extra time for the background, plants, etc... that will be included in the final render? Or is the two hour modeling limit for anything associated with the vase including it's contents?

The 2 hour limit is for ALL Models that you decide to put in your entry...that includes any extra foreground or background modeling.
I hope you find time to play !

nigec · Post by **nigec** » 08 Jul 2009, 17:31

which is especially helpful for game designing

Totally agree If you saw some of the things I tried to get in a game you'd fall out laughing they where mindblowingly over complicate, but doing the SMC learnt to dumb things down and generally stuff I wouldn't even consider doing, I'd rather texture objects and set a scene, but its usually within the 2hrs or if I think the model doesn't stand a cat in hells chance on its own lol

theuns · Post by **theuns** » 08 Jul 2009, 18:32

for me, the SMC (SPEED modeling comp) says it all, it is about learning to use the minimum geometry in the least amount of time AND making it look good... proper texturing and bump mapping can make it look even more AWESOME which help a lot with poorly designed or just plain ugly models, heck, you could a primitive cube look funky and cool with just texturing, but the art of doing the perfect model with just the right amount of minimalistic geometry so that it looks brilliant even without texturing? that is true art in 3d and SMC is the perfect vehicle IMHO to learn this valuable skill for many purposes, gaming being just one, virtual worlds with truePlay the other and of course, tight project deadlines with massive scenes another...

my 2c

Post by **Mr. 3d** » 08 Jul 2009, 21:14

Texturing is part of good modeling, in my opinion. A texture can turn a sphere into a planet....otherwise, you'd just have a grey sphere.

Prodigy · Post by **Prodigy** » 10 Jul 2009, 14:40

Hi guys, As you can see we've lost an entry.. the owner will must upload it again..

not funny?

srry hahahaha

theuns · Post by **theuns** » 10 Jul 2009, 14:41

[quote="Mr. 3d"]Texturing is part of good modeling, in my opinion. A texture can turn a sphere into a planet....otherwise, you'd just have a grey sphere.[/quote]

but that is not modeling, that is texturing, modeling means shaping an object, if you texture it, you basically paint whatever is there... it is two very different and distinct things...

yes, both is need for a good IMAGE or COMPOSITION but they are two different things entirely... like a artist painter and sculptor...

theuns · Post by **theuns** » 10 Jul 2009, 14:49

[quote]Hi guys, As you can see we've lost an entry.. the owner will must upload it again.. :lol: [/quote]

done, upload mine again...

Prodigy · Post by **Prodigy** » 10 Jul 2009, 15:00

theuns wrote:
Hi guys, As you can see we've lost an entry.. the owner will must upload it again..
done, upload mine again...

good.. im wondering why your posts contain the code instead the result of the code..

Post by **Mr. 3d** » 11 Jul 2009, 00:38

theuns...the SMC has always included texturing (except once). You need not lecture me about the differences, unless you enjoy this little exchange. I've tried to be reasonable about this, and there is no need to state the obvious differences between one word association and another. If you don't wish to texture a submission, then that's your choice. I'll say it again...I feel that good texturing is a part of good modeling.

nigec · Post by **nigec** » 11 Jul 2009, 09:31

Whoever wins gets to sets the rules, so I guess all the arguements get put to the test

nothing I've done in the SMC has been uv mapped apart from the Hell Raiser cube, oh and the gun in the same SMC, Its usually a case of "right that's wood, thats rusty metal.." and I add a material, I don't spend hours fiddling.
You still add a wire frame to show folks how you did it

Post by **Mr. 3d** » 11 Jul 2009, 18:08

nigec...I never got to tell you how much I liked your "Hellraiser" cube submission !

nigec · Post by **nigec** » 12 Jul 2009, 09:40

I enjoyed that one, I think it was the 3rd CMS i entered, the boat on being the first, , I'll of been doing them for a year next month

although I missed a few
Tiz scary how much I've changed over the year

theuns · Post by **theuns** » 13 Jul 2009, 15:52

like i said... IMHO and my 2c...

if you don't agree, that is your choice, but i still don't see texturing as part of modeling, design yes, but not modeling (sculpture vs. paintings)

nigec · Post by **nigec** » 13 Jul 2009, 16:54

Some SMC's need textures/shaders.. neither of our entries in this would work without them.

BUT I'm not bothered either way, as a rule I model in detail rather than use textures, its only since I made headway with games I relied on textures to get the look, and practice that in the contests..
We just need to enter and win then decide what pain we plan to inflict on others

theuns · Post by **theuns** » 13 Jul 2009, 17:26

i don't mind if it is or not in the end, i'm just trying to make the point that want to have a pure modeling competition then it has to be textureless to make it valid, but if textures are included, then it is more like an "speed object image" competition instead of a "speed modeling" one...

anyways, i think the point has been made so we can move along, i don't expect the smc rules to change either and we as digital artists are so used to modeling with textures and colors that it feels normal and natural that way so it isn't a big deal in the end...

just wish more people would take part though...

Post by **Mr. 3d** » 13 Jul 2009, 17:35

Yes...it would be nice to have more players theuns ! If it wasn't for the SMC and MMC, I would have never got interested enough to fully dive into trueSpace and learn the application ! By entering these challenges, it challenged me to learn trueSpace !!!

nigec · Post by **nigec** » 13 Jul 2009, 17:51

These challenges have helped me no end, Its stuff I wouldn't usually do, I think the bomb actually taught me a whole lot, the bike used stuff i learnt from that, plus a load of other things I'd never done before

Looking back to the boat SMC there was a mental amount of entries in that one! hopefully that sort of number will return

Post by **Mr. 3d** » 13 Jul 2009, 17:59

Has anyone seen kena

theuns · Post by **theuns** » 13 Jul 2009, 18:11

Very true!

Perhaps what we should do is also include "What did I learn from this..." bit from either all participants or just the winner?

I think it should also be compulsory for the winner to make a tutorial or at least a "how to" slide show, like a WIP thread that shows and explains progress. Should be easy to do with the SMC since it only took 2 hours to do.

What do you guys think?

Finis · Post by **Finis** » 13 Jul 2009, 21:17

Mr. 3d wrote:Has anyone seen kena?

Yeah. Where did they go? Kena and Tanoak disappeared.

nigec · Post by **nigec** » 13 Jul 2009, 21:27

Kena couldn't Ken A thats listed here maybe? Tanoak had gone quiet on the TS forum
There's quite a few people who don't seem to of migrated across

Post by **Mr. 3d** » 14 Jul 2009, 00:25

Yes...that's him (Ken A)....he just hasn't posted in a good while. I know he was going through some lodging changes.

Post by **Mr. 3d** » 16 Jul 2009, 06:00

NICE Job nigec !!! Glad to see you haven't exhausted your ideas !!!

noko · Post by **noko** » 16 Jul 2009, 09:18

Nice job everyone! plus love seeing Prod at work again

. I've been busy with Tiles making something

which started some time ago in the Beta team era. Anyways if I can pull it off this week this one looks fun.

Prodigy · Post by **Prodigy** » 18 Jul 2009, 19:10

Hey noko! we still waiting for your entry!

Also i like to see everyone working on a challenge RIGHT NOW!.. MOVE MOVE MOVE!!!

nigec · Post by **nigec** » 20 Jul 2009, 10:12

Nice one Karthogen

Welcome to the SMC!!
What did you render in?

Karthogen · Post by **Karthogen** » 20 Jul 2009, 12:15

Redered in Model side lightworks.
I think that is what it is called. The default render engine.

Post by **Mr. 3d** » 20 Jul 2009, 14:56

Very NICE Karthogen!!! Glad you could make it!

Karthogen · Post by **Karthogen** » 20 Jul 2009, 15:06

thank you both.

I am learnings more and more with each project I start.

This one was interesting, I ran into some issues with Addloop features one workspace side, I did not feel the loop they were adding followed the flow. So I should have added the loops prior to extruding the top.

also, with the texture... I am still stumped as to how my Red and Yellow (Trying to make a little flame) turned into a green and red when applying the texture. But, I think it looks a lot like Carnival Glass so I let it be.

Post by **Mr. 3d** » 21 Jul 2009, 12:19

I hadn't done anything in about a month, so I decided to go ahead and make a flower vase last night!

Post by **Mr. 3d** » 22 Jul 2009, 00:05

OK guys...times runnung out. This is a very easy SMC, and gives a good opportunity to model extra to fit into an environment. We only have 4 entrys so far, and nigec has 2 of them. Any other players?

Prodigy · Post by **Prodigy** » 22 Jul 2009, 12:47

come on guys! this is one of the most easiest topics on a SMC!! There's no excuses....

theuns · Post by **theuns** » 22 Jul 2009, 18:09

how many hours to D-hour???

Post by **Mr. 3d** » 22 Jul 2009, 19:55

12 more hours left !

Accu...NICE Job!

Just who is that masked man(Accu)

Finis · Post by **Finis** » 22 Jul 2009, 22:57

I'm in. I had an idea that also used some seldom used TS tools.
WIP vi ... ?f=5&t=353"

Post by **Mr. 3d** » 23 Jul 2009, 01:18

Cool Finis! It reminds me of something out of the lands of Dr. Seuss!

P.S....you should also include the Wire Frame, if you can....in comparison, you really pushed this to the wire (glad you could make it!!!)

Finis · Post by **Finis** » 23 Jul 2009, 01:25

Thanks Mr.3d.

I did include a wire frame. At over 200,000 polygons the wire frame looks like a silhouette. I'm rendering a new picture (no changes to the model) with more antialiasing to look better. I'll see about a closeup wire frame to show detail on a tube.

It does look Dr. Suess like. The tubes look like Splinter's Limbo thing too.

Post by **Mr. 3d** » 23 Jul 2009, 01:37

I'm glad you (and everybody else who did) made it!

theuns · Post by **theuns** » 23 Jul 2009, 15:59

[quote="Finis"]I'm in. I had an idea that also used some seldom used TS tools. WIP vi ... ?f=5&t=353" [/quote]

How did you make it?

Finis · Post by **Finis** » 23 Jul 2009, 16:07

The wip tells some of it and eventually will tell more. It will also tell what I learned about what not to do and how to do it better.

The main things are: I used metaballs and geometry paint.

theuns · Post by **theuns** » 23 Jul 2009, 16:24

will check out the WIP, tnx Finis :)

noko · Post by **noko** » 26 Jul 2009, 21:17

Great entries all! Just didn't have the time this time around

.

Now I still notice this is still a tS based challenge. Our we going to branch out here and allow other programs to be used? As in if I end up buying modo, I would love to incorporate work with all the great folks here vice somewhere else is really my point. Maybe too early yet, I don't know. What do you folks think?

Steinie · Post by **Steinie** » 26 Jul 2009, 21:50

Well there has been discussion here already about allowing other modeling software in the challenge.
Prodigy and I both think that if we only allow trueSpace software our days will be numbered. I think the
bright side is we all love trueSpace and will never treat it like the plague like other sites do. I don't mind
learning a thing or two if someone wants to use other software here. Is this really about the "challenge" or about
learning how to model better?
Noko, your are always welcome here and I would be hurt if you left because of a silly program change. A talented
Artist is always a talented Artist in my book.

noko · Post by **noko** » 27 Jul 2009, 03:13

Well for me it was to speed up my modelling which this challenge series has really helped out plus it was allot of fun.

I love tS too and see at least another year with it if not more. In the mean time if I am going to stay in 3d I need to start working with another package which hopefully has a better future. From my Amiga days to now it has been Caligari all the way for 3d with me so I really don't have too much experience with other packages. If we can share our experience with other packages and stay together, great group here as it is, then I would be rather happy. Staying with tS for now is AOK with me. I just see folks leaving over time if that is the only things concentrated on here.

Anyways the winners here maybe best to decide when to open the SMC to all or other packages when they see fit. Long live tS.

Finis · Post by **Finis** » 29 Jul 2009, 00:57

Congratulations Accu! A good clean model and an interesting idea.

I was afraid I was going to win. Didn't want to run the next one. My model looked cool and I used some less used tools but the original mesh was not clean.

Ouch, no votes for Nigec? Good idea on the biker one and both better meshes than mine.

Accu · Post by **Accu** » 29 Jul 2009, 06:50

Thank you for voting for my crappy model.

I'll be posting the new SMC later today. I already know the topic, I'm just not sure about the rules yet (allowing other software and other things).
About the time limit - sometimes two hours doesn't seem enough for a nicer model. You have to choose between a finished/low quality model or a higher quality unfinished one. This is my point of view as I usually opt for complicated stuff - I felt pressed by time for this SMC, though I didn't use the full two hours (yes, I am lazy, lazy, lazy).

nigec · Post by **nigec** » 29 Jul 2009, 09:40

such is life for the no votes, I didn't try that hard with either of them lol the second I was just messing about

usually its just 2 hours but I think there has been exceptions in the past with less and more time, you set the rules

but I think there should be some sort of tight limit otherwise we might as well be doing an MMC

Congrats on the win!!

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