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Mad Mouse · Post by **Mad Mouse** » 06 Jun 2009, 18:01

Well at long last I'm back to pushing polygons around!

I cant believe that it's been over a year and a half since my last finished project!!! http://forums1.caligari.com/truespace/s ... ight=troll
My how time flies when your being lazy. It's been so long that I'm actually struggling to remember where all the icons are in TS

Anyway... here's what I'm now working on. I cant take full credit for the modelling so far as the main body started life as the
Daz 'Galapagos Tortoise' (http://www.daz3d.com/i/3d-models/-/gala ... =4587&_m=d) but I have had to do
a lot of surgery on the little fellow to make him look like the European tortoise which fits my needs.

I wonder where this one will go???

Any comments and crits are always very welcome.

P.S. Does anyone here still remember me

ATB

Steve

marcel · Post by **marcel** » 06 Jun 2009, 19:27

Very nice model! I like the bump map. Maybe other bump map on the head and the arms? The wheels are very funny and contrasts with the realism of the whole. This project could become surreal.
I am waiting to see the texture. I am sure they will be good.

Prodigy · Post by **Prodigy** » 06 Jun 2009, 19:29

Go Turtle Go!

Comments: maybe needs some turbo chargers hehehehe.. out of the joke looks great! glad to see you back..

PS:No, we can't remember you stephen..

Steinie · Post by **Steinie** » 06 Jun 2009, 20:26

Welcome back Mickey!!! (you asked for it...)

Great subject and perfect timing as we all transition
or 3D lives.
Really good to have you back and in action Steve!

Jack Edwards · Post by **Jack Edwards** » 06 Jun 2009, 21:01

Welcome back! And great to see a new WIP started!

marcel · Post by **marcel** » 06 Jun 2009, 21:18

With a mouse holding a whip on the back of the turtle, it looks like a carriage of Ancient Egypt.
ps: how many post to be admiral?

b_scotty · Post by **b_scotty** » 07 Jun 2009, 00:53

Oboy!!!! New MadMouse Pics

))

I can't wait to see what your deliciously demented mind has in store for us this time.

spacekdet · Post by **spacekdet** » 07 Jun 2009, 03:39

Put a mulching blade on there and we might have something.
Look out, Robomow, you've got competition with character!

Nez · Post by **Nez** » 08 Jun 2009, 08:05

Mad Mouse wrote:

P.S. Does anyone here still remember me

Of course...

I like the wheels - they make me think of a Traction Engine! kind of appropriate....
Looking forward to your usual excellent work (and some cool textures) - is it going to be gory?

Mad Mouse · Post by **Mad Mouse** » 08 Jun 2009, 08:45

Thanks for the kind comments and welcome backs. (glad to see I'm still remembered)

I like the bump map. Maybe other bump map on the head and the arms?

This is just an early WIP there will definitely be bump maps and textures galore.

I like the wheels - they make me think of a Traction Engine! kind of appropriate....

Give that man a cigar!!! Spot on with the traction engine guess Nez

Thanks guys, hopefully more to come sometime today.

ATB

Steve

robert · Post by **robert** » 08 Jun 2009, 19:13

Nice work Steve, you always produce such quality items.
This thing already looks great, even without color.
You certainly have my attention.

Mad Mouse · Post by **Mad Mouse** » 08 Jun 2009, 20:34

Thanks Robert, much appreciated.

Well here's the update I promised earlier. I think this ones a bigger clue to where I'm going with this.

The pistons are not attached at the moment. (that's the next job)

C&C please guys.

ATB

Steve

marcel · Post by **marcel** » 08 Jun 2009, 21:59

Nice work
I see a detail who show it is a female turtle. He He. Do you know what?

Steinie · Post by **Steinie** » 08 Jun 2009, 23:08

If this isn't a steampunk tortoise I don't know what is...
Now if your doing Mr. Bunny too the caption could read
"Waiter there is a Hare in my Snapper Soup".............
naaaaa it's been done!

Looks great so far but I know your best stuff is at the end.

Post by **Mr. 3d** » 08 Jun 2009, 23:33

Nice to see this turtorial Mad Mouse !

Steinie wrote:"Waiter there is a Hare in my Snapper Soup"

Did someone say soup ?!!...(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lDe8fTgVUZw" )

spacekdet · Post by **spacekdet** » 09 Jun 2009, 00:08

I hope you're planning on a pair of roller skates.

marcel · Post by **marcel** » 09 Jun 2009, 10:32

Steinie wrote:If this isn't a steampunk tortoise I don't know what is...

The form of the plastron (the ventral part of the carapace) of this turtle is for a female. Male have a curved plastron. It is easier to make love when the male is above the female.

Mad Mouse · Post by **Mad Mouse** » 09 Jun 2009, 10:41

If this isn't a steampunk tortoise I don't know what is...

Spot on Bob, you da man.

I hope you're planning on a pair of roller skates.

I wasn't, but that's a pretty good idea

It is easier to make love when the male is above the female.

Only a Frenchman could get away with saying that LOL

Post by **Mr. 3d** » 09 Jun 2009, 12:26

marcel wrote:...It is easier to make love when the male is above the female.

I thought the porn was removed ?!!

Mad Mouse · Post by **Mad Mouse** » 09 Jun 2009, 22:22

I thought the porn was removed ?!!

LMAO!

Here's another update. It might not look like much but it was quite tricky to fit the bar around the shell neatly.

C & C Please.

ATB

Steve

robert · Post by **robert** » 10 Jun 2009, 20:37

Very nice, the best part is it looks like it can actually function once the steam pipes are hooked up.

The detail on the pistons is exquisite.
Did you use reference photos or model by eye mostly?

Mad Mouse · Post by **Mad Mouse** » 10 Jun 2009, 22:29

The detail on the pistons is exquisite.
Did you use reference photos or model by eye mostly?

Thanks Robert, that's good to hear. I don't tend to use much in the way of reference photos.
I'm lucky to have an extremely good visual memory, so I only use photos when that lets me down.
(now names that's a whole other matter

)

Well here's today's update. Starting to get somewhere now I think.

enjoy

Steve

marcel · Post by **marcel** » 10 Jun 2009, 23:24

He he, the terminatortoise by jules verne!

How fast can it go?

RAYMAN · Post by **RAYMAN** » 10 Jun 2009, 23:35

May I suggest a cop with a radar pistol in that scene .. LOL !

Post by **Mr. 3d** » 11 Jun 2009, 01:00

marcel wrote:..How fast can it go?

I thought slow but sure ?

Steinie · Post by **Steinie** » 11 Jun 2009, 01:23

Sorry but it looks like half of a 1967 Mopar Gas filter...
I had a flashback to my Barracuda Days.
http://www.chargerspecialties.com/Mopar ... cement.jpg"
After textures are applied I'm sure it will look like something else.
Is this going to be a boiler?

Mad Mouse · Post by **Mad Mouse** » 12 Jun 2009, 19:33

He he, the terminatortoise by jules verne!
How fast can it go?

LOL about 120 psi

Sorry but it looks like half of a 1967 Mopar Gas filter...
I had a flashback to my Barracuda Days.
http://www.chargerspecialties.com/Mopar" ... cement.jpg
After textures are applied I'm sure it will look like something else.
Is this going to be a boiler?

LOL yes it does doesn't it. My friend said it make him think of a toilet brush in its holder.
But yes it is a boiler. Hopefully, when finished, it will look something like this:-

http://www.monahansteammodels.com/image ... nt02.1.jpg

More to come over the weekend hopefully.

ATB

Steve

marcel · Post by **marcel** » 12 Jun 2009, 20:12

He He He

Jack Edwards · Post by **Jack Edwards** » 13 Jun 2009, 01:18

This is really looking great Madmouse!

The boiler looks a bit plain but I like the proportions. Maybe adding rivets or bolts to the ribbing around the cylinder would help?

Mad Mouse · Post by **Mad Mouse** » 13 Jun 2009, 09:12

WOW that's one freaky looking turtle Marcel. What type is it?

The boiler looks a bit plain but I like the proportions. Maybe adding rivets or bolts to the ribbing around the cylinder would help?

Thanks Jack. It is a little plain at the moment but there is plenty more detail to come yet.

marcel · Post by **marcel** » 14 Jun 2009, 08:29

Mad Mouse wrote:WOW that's one freaky looking turtle Marcel. What type is it?

It is a chinese turtle. Here is an other curiosity from china (it is real,not photoshop)
Maybe that can give idea to you.

Mad Mouse · Post by **Mad Mouse** » 14 Jun 2009, 21:50

Here is an other curiosity from china (it is real,not photoshop)
Maybe that can give idea to you.

Nah, too many mouths to feed

Here's another update. Not the biggest one ever but its been a busy weekend.

robert · Post by **robert** » 15 Jun 2009, 23:19

Mad Mouse wrote:Here's another update. Not the biggest one ever but its been a busy weekend.[/color]

It may not be big, but it is one of the most important pieces.
Without the water there wouldn't be steam.

What do you plan to do for a heat source, or is that just going to fit in the lower part of the vertical housing?

Jack Edwards · Post by **Jack Edwards** » 16 Jun 2009, 02:10

Hope you're UV mapping as you go... Texturing that thing is going to be a nightmare!

Mad Mouse · Post by **Mad Mouse** » 16 Jun 2009, 08:33

It may not be big, but it is one of the most important pieces.
Without the water there wouldn't be steam.

What do you plan to do for a heat source, or is that just going to fit in the lower part of the vertical housing?

Actually Robert that is the gas tanks and not for water. This type of model boiler has a gas burner located in the base of the main boiler body. I did consider adding a condenser tank but I starting to run out of places to bolt things onto the poor little fellows shell.

Hope you're UV mapping as you go... Texturing that thing is going to be a nightmare!

Nope... That' the best bit Jack. I always look forward to the UV and texturing.

GraySho · Post by **GraySho** » 16 Jun 2009, 16:44

Jack Edwards wrote:Hope you're UV mapping as you go... Texturing that thing is going to be a nightmare!

It would be in tS

Mad Mouse · Post by **Mad Mouse** » 21 Jun 2009, 14:41

It would be in tS

Sure would

Well it's been a little while since the last update but I've not been slacking off.

I've been busy plumbing everything together. (I've nearly run out of digital solder

)

So I think I'm about done with the modelling side of things. (must be a new record for me

)

Please speak up if you have any crits or suggestions, or I'll move on to the texturing with peace of mind

.

Feedback please guys (Don't be shy

)

ATB

Steve

Mad Mouse · Post by **Mad Mouse** » 21 Jun 2009, 14:42

And some more.....

Mad Mouse · Post by **Mad Mouse** » 21 Jun 2009, 14:43

One more for luck.....

marcel · Post by **marcel** » 21 Jun 2009, 15:14

Very good but:
The cylinders (actuators) can not rotate the wheel when the axis is aligned with the center. should be a counterweight on the wheel and ensure that both cylinders have not the same position on each wheel (like the pistons of an engine). My counterweight is not aesthetic but it is to show where it shoulb be.

Breech Block · Post by **Breech Block** » 21 Jun 2009, 22:12

Wow! Mad Mouse, it looks like you have managed to raise the quality and detail of your work to another level, again. C'mon, play fair, lets some of us try and catch you up.

I know your after some crits, but I just can't find any, it just looks totally awesome.

That said, if your after a comical look, you could always give the guy some goggles and a little helmet with some wing mirrors bolted on the side.

Other than that, can't wait for you start texturing this baby.

Mad Mouse · Post by **Mad Mouse** » 21 Jun 2009, 22:53

That said, if your after a comical look, you could always give the guy some goggles and a little helmet with some wing mirrors bolted on the side.

Thanks Breech, I did consider something similar but decided to go for a more realistic look.

Other than that, can't wait for you start texturing this baby.

Me to

The cylinders (actuators) can not rotate the wheel when the axis is aligned with the center. should be a counterweight on the wheel and ensure that both cylinders have not the same position on each wheel (like the pistons of an engine). My counterweight is not aesthetic but it is to show where it shoulb be.

Good point Marcel. Hows This one?
It was always my intention to offset the position of each wheel for the final renders.
The cylinders are also 'double acting' i.e. they push as well as pull.

I hope that's better.

Thanks

Steve

robert · Post by **robert** » 22 Jun 2009, 00:36

That looks a lot like the ZBrush default shader.

So there is a fixed amount of water and it cycles around then?

The only thing I see that could be different is the rear axle, it looks like you could at least keep the little turtle tail.

Also, once it gets going the legs are going to be in the way and cause some problems, maybe some pads on the "elbows" to skid at higher speeds.

spacekdet · Post by **spacekdet** » 22 Jun 2009, 02:34

Lubrication is important.
Don't forget the zerk fittings.

rjeff · Post by **rjeff** » 22 Jun 2009, 14:50

Curious. I have always wondered how guys like you were able to get your pipes to curve along the surface of, in your case the turtle like that? I can't seem to get mine to look that good.

Mad Mouse · Post by **Mad Mouse** » 22 Jun 2009, 18:47

That looks a lot like the ZBrush default shader.

Looks like it but it's actually a screen grab from Silo. I made a shader that emulates the Zbraush one as I find it easy on the eye when modelling.

So there is a fixed amount of water and it cycles around then?

No just one boiler full at a time. The return pipes at the back are really just exhausts. Although your comment has made me realise that I haven't modelled a filler plug

.

once it gets going the legs are going to be in the way and cause some problems, maybe some pads on the "elbows" to skid at higher speeds.

I disagree that the legs will get in the way but he will have to get a move on at full steam

Don't forget the zerk fittings.

Well I've learnt something there. Never heard of Zerk fittings before.

I have always wondered how guys like you were able to get your pipes to curve along the surface of, in your case the turtle like that?

Personally I stated with a lower res cylinder at the valve (8 edges) then I just extrude and adjust each section to follow the curves of the shell (lots of tweaking) then when I've got it about right a couple of levels of subdivision will smooth the pipe off. There's probably an easier way but it works for me.

rjeff · Post by **rjeff** » 22 Jun 2009, 22:50

Well and here I though you had some trick up your sleve that I did not know about. That is how I attempt to do it as well.

marcel · Post by **marcel** » 23 Jun 2009, 18:43

"Good point Marcel. Hows This one?
It was always my intention to offset the position of each wheel for the final renders.
The cylinders are also 'double acting' i.e. they push as well as pull."

With the "push and pull" and offset the position of each wheel, maybe it is not necessary to add a counterweight. But i prefer the new asymmetrical design. And it would be better if you do animation later. (with smoke and sound

)

DanX · Post by **DanX** » 28 Jun 2009, 14:59

Wow Mad Mouse

Very impressive and imaginative work. Thanks for this thread very inspiring.

Mad Mouse · Post by **Mad Mouse** » 05 Jul 2009, 19:10

Wow Mad Mouse

Very impressive and imaginative work. Thanks for this thread very inspiring.

Thanks DanX I appreciate that a lot

Well here's the first of the texture W.I.P.'s. It's taken a while as I started with the tortoise skin but found I was struggling a bit to get it just right so I took a break and textured the boiler instead. Obviously no textures on the pipework yet. As usual I've over done the detail, a lot of which will be lost when seen in the final render, but its nice to know its there

Comments and crits are most welcome.

marcel · Post by **marcel** » 05 Jul 2009, 20:37

superb! I love this kind of textures. This reminds me of Myst. this model will become one of the most beautiful work done with Truespace. The wooden planks would be better if they were thicker to give the impression of solidity. may be that the top of the chimney should be blackened by smoke. I expect to see the texture on the pipes with impatience.

The boiler on the back of the turtle replaces the world as it is represented in some ancient civilizations (you must surely know what I mean). Maybe the pollution makes the turtle sick. Technology tries to repair it with wheels. but the whole remains fragile. This explanation may not be yours but that's what I feel, with a little humor.

Prodigy · Post by **Prodigy** » 05 Jul 2009, 21:23

This turtle is taking the beer on its back??

Great Work Mouse

robert · Post by **robert** » 06 Jul 2009, 00:18

That is just awesome.

What do you plan to render it with?

Breech Block · Post by **Breech Block** » 08 Jul 2009, 01:40

Terrific stuff MadMouse, your texture work has always amazed me. The one thing I would mention, is that with all that fantastic detail going on in the texture, it has changed my perception of the model's scale.
HTH

Mad Mouse · Post by **Mad Mouse** » 15 Jul 2009, 10:13

Thanks Guys.

The boiler on the back of the turtle replaces the world as it is represented in some ancient civilizations (you must surely know what I mean).

Something like this you mean?

:- http://www.madmousedesign.co.uk/webpages/PageATUIN

What do you plan to render it with?

Lightworks baby

(it always is)

The one thing I would mention, is that with all that fantastic detail going on in the texture, it has changed my perception of the model's scale.

Well its...er...about the size of a tortoise

Well as fast as a speeding steam tortoise I'm back with the next update.

Comment and crits as usual please.

ATB

Steve

marcel · Post by **marcel** » 15 Jul 2009, 10:53

Yes the picture on your web site is exactly what i mean.

This wip is great. I am wainting for the colors of the turtle. Just a question: what is "tortoise and the H'Air"? My poor english can understand that.

Steve · Post by **Steve** » 15 Jul 2009, 12:15

Great work Mad, you've managed to get me out of Lurk mode
Is it a steampunk'd turtle?
Is it an early 1900s Delorean?
Is it a rolling fire extinguisher?
Do they use it as a smokescreen from the soot made from its chimney?
Or is it just carrying my drinks around for me?

You've once again picked up and made a great model and ran all the way with it for a fantastic model...Slow down a bit...we'll never catch up with you at this rate

nigec · Post by **nigec** » 15 Jul 2009, 14:20

what is "tortoise and the H'Air"?

There's a story called tortoise and the Hare, the hare got to cocky and just expected to beat the tortoise, he generallly messed about, took naps that kind of thing, , the tortoise just plodded along as they do and won the race.. Mad Mouse is making sure lol

awesome textures

Steinie · Post by **Steinie** » 15 Jul 2009, 21:59

Well I think this is a play on words. The H'Air (Hare) is really "Hot Air"

p.s. Weevil STOP Lurking we need your participation!

Karthogen · Post by **Karthogen** » 16 Jul 2009, 14:45

http://childhoodreading.com/Arthur_Rack ... _Hare.html"

Here is a good synopsis of the story.

Awesome textures, I am looking forward to seeing the finished peice.

Steve · Post by **Steve** » 16 Jul 2009, 19:04

Steinie wrote:p.s. Weevil STOP Lurking we need your participation!

Well in the words of many schoolkids over here in the UK...I "just got told!"

I'll see what my lazy self can dig up

Mad Mouse · Post by **Mad Mouse** » 22 Jul 2009, 19:09

Just a question: what is "tortoise and the H'Air"? My poor english can

Well I think this is a play on words. The H'Air (Hare) is really "Hot Air"

Bob, your just too good for me

I'm really going to have to get more inventive with my titles.

Thanks for all the kind comments guys.

Phew!!! Well I've finished all the pipework, fittings, framework, boiler and gas tank and there's still loads to do

I think I'm starting to realise how much work I've made for myself here.

Anyways, that's one big chunk finished. If anyone's interested including bump, color and trans maps there is a total of 53 maps so far!!!

Comments and crits please

ATB

Steve

splinters · Post by **splinters** » 22 Jul 2009, 19:39

Rubbish....as usual.

I see we are both on a roll eh Steve?

Mad Mouse · Post by **Mad Mouse** » 28 Jul 2009, 09:04

Judging by the overwhelming response from my last post I can tell your all gagging for more so here's another update.

v3rd3 · Post by **v3rd3** » 28 Jul 2009, 11:26

This is an amazing piece of work... I look forward to the "making of" video.....

DesignDevil · Post by **DesignDevil** » 28 Jul 2009, 11:53

This is great, absolutly. Which program do you use for Texture Mapping?

Finis · Post by **Finis** » 28 Jul 2009, 15:40

Everyone is gagging for more. I've been watching and learning. Everyone expects this level of excellence from you so sometimes commenting "great" etc. is just redundant.

Did you create custom a custom texture for the rear leather part? If so was it hand drawn in Paint Shop, Photoshop, etc.?

Mad Mouse · Post by **Mad Mouse** » 28 Jul 2009, 22:23

Thanks guys, sorry for the little poke but sometimes my fragile ego needs a little boost

A making of video would give LOTR a run for its money in the epic stakes. Including the 2 DVD extended versions

The leather texture started life as a photo as do most of my textures but there is a lot of tweaking pasting and poking to get it looking like this.

I do my UV work with Headus UV mapper and sometimes UV mapper pro. But all my textures are made with good old Paint shop pro 7 (yes 7 how ancient is that!!!)

Thanks again

ATB

Steve

Steinie · Post by **Steinie** » 28 Jul 2009, 22:39

...and the stitching in the leather caught my eye.
Just outstanding texture work!

Finis · Post by **Finis** » 29 Jul 2009, 00:45

I use Paint Shop Pro 7 too!

When you have time, and if you want to, I'm interested in details of how you create your textures. The tweaking pasting and poking. Is there already a tutorial or some material from you about that around?

Nez · Post by **Nez** » 29 Jul 2009, 08:03

Fantastic detail as always, your textures always leave me feeling totally inadequate!

Vizu · Post by **Vizu** » 31 Jul 2009, 15:47

Outstanding --- WOW
not only the modeling, i favorise the idea.
Good work and waiting for more Images.

robert · Post by **robert** » 04 Aug 2009, 17:21

I always want to see progress, even if I'm not here for the reveal.

What you get done is always incredible!
I just wish I had more time to come around here.

Shike · Post by **Shike** » 15 Aug 2009, 22:07

Amazing work!
Can't quite grasp how you came up with this idea but the result is really cool!

Mad Mouse · Post by **Mad Mouse** » 17 Aug 2009, 09:30

Thanks Guys

When you have time, and if you want to, I'm interested in details of how you create your textures. The tweaking pasting and poking. Is there already a tutorial or some material from you about that around?

I'd love to have the time to do a tutorial or two but I never seem to get round to it.

The steampunk tortoise will be on hold for a little while as I've become involved with another project.
Rest assured that this one wont fall down the back of the unfinished projects cupboard.

In the words of a certain Californian governor... ' I'll be back!'

Till then

ATB

Steve

tahnoak · Post by **tahnoak** » 04 Sep 2009, 20:12

Wow Steve, as always, top notch work. Of course in my mind you are probably whipping that out in a couple of hours but in reality, at least I hope or else I need more work than I thought

, it takes a long time to generate something that detailed and precise.

Either way, fantastic work!

Mad Mouse · Post by **Mad Mouse** » 05 Sep 2009, 20:00

Thanks Tahnoak. I'm hoping to get back to this one before too long.

robert · Post by **robert** » 12 Sep 2009, 02:06

I've been gone from here for almost a month and I haven't missed much, that's good enough for me.
Yay college!

tahnoak · Post by **tahnoak** » 18 Sep 2009, 13:44

There really is nothing that I can see which can truly express how exquisite your work is. Thanks for giving me something to aspire towards, even if my own personality will never let me get there

splinters · Post by **splinters** » 21 Sep 2009, 23:30

Hey Steve, I am looking forward to seeing this one finished. Hopefully, it won't do a Frankenstein eh...

And I promise to take another look at that when I get a minute.

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