Goodbye

[marcel]

I'm tired to serve as a punching bag for a sick person. I leave the forum.
Good luck to all.

[Draise]

Saul's has been a troll yeah.. ....

[MikomDude]

That is a shame for sure. I'd rather see Saul muted for a while than see you leave. You will be missed, by me at least.

[Draise]

Agreed.

[Saul]

Hello all
Marcel is praised for his work by everybody in this forum, one person criticises and he's off. Why does he care? Getting upset by this suggests to me he is only after the kudos.
As i have said before, his technical mastery is fantastic, my beef is with some of his subject matter and the lack of logic in his imagery.
I have tried to engage in discussion about this. Marcel has always refused to participate, maybe because of his lack of English or my lack of French.More likely it's because he does not take his subject matter seriously.
This is a small forum and Marcel stands out as one of the more profficient members.If he has truly gone and i hope he hasn't, he should pray for a place that is as sympathetic as this one.
Here he is a big fish in a small pond, he will get a lot harder time than i have given him elsewhere!
Ps Having read through this i am thinking that perhaps it is i who should leave rather than Marcel. My expectations are unreasonably high.
I have written to Marcel telling him this.
Farewell to all, go well and GET SERIOUS!
Saul Greenberg

[Draise]

Yes, the internet is a hard place.. but some tact can really go a long way. Praise, then your critique, then recap the praise - really helps the other person digest it a bit better. The same method of critiquing is necessary and valid in real-life as much as it is needed online.

Also, if you really want to critique, suggesting alternatives or "how" to make something better would probably be more appreciated than just pointing out that something is "bad" or "wrong" - which I know is very typical of art critiques - but not necessarily constructive.

Just my opinion. This forum is a cool positive place, and I prefer it over many others of which I am a part of - I'd like it that way.

[seppgirty]

Yes, the internet is a hard place.. but some tact can really go a long way. Praise, then your critique, then recap the praise - really helps the other person digest it a bit better. The same method of critiquing is necessary and valid in real-life as much as it is needed online.

Also, if you really want to critique, suggesting alternatives or "how" to make something better would probably be more appreciated than just pointing out that something is "bad" or "wrong" - which I know is very typical of art critiques - but not necessarily constructive.

Just my opinion. This forum is a cool positive place, and I prefer it over many others of which I am a part of - I'd like it that way.

I agree with Draise that you (people in general) could point out the good with the bad. Also know that if you post your work online you will get positive and negative feedback and must deal with both.

This is a great little community and i hope neither of you leave.

[spacekdet]

[clintonman]

If you need to make another persons posts invisible

UCP -> Friends and Foes -> Manage Foes -> add usernames to be ignored.

[RAYMAN]

leaving is so simple.... but it doesnt solve anything.....after some time you
will find yourself running away all the time.
Even if one day you run into a REAL troll then you will be feeding him by leaving..
in the end its the purpose of some people to scare away others.....
in the discussion in the other thread I didnt like the tone not the subject matter.....
you can always critizise someone for the purpose of his artwork.. that is something
very subjective.... sometimes something you do doesnt even have to be intended to be artistic.... it still can be regarded well made....
Many of the things that I posted in the past werent even intended to be artwork..
sometimes they just followed the theme of a contest or were just lessons in other forums
that I followed.......
Yes sometimes the net has become a very unpleasent place to be....
I have spent less and less time online and more and more time outside shooting 2d work
lately... but I an also aware that not everything I do is highly respected by others all the
time.... somtimes I'm also happy about some words of others that dont patt me on the back
still I always want to see the discussions pass in a civilised way...even better in afriendly
way.......
I hope Marcel this isnt your last word because... I see no reason for you to leave....being bood by ONE person ...isnt anything that I would see as relevant.....hey he could have
advertised for viagra... would you have left for something as irrelevant?
Peter