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Hi truespacers :bananahi:
I am David (from Peru) and work as a graphic designer. Let me tell you a little bit about myself: I started using truespace 3.2 in 2004 while watching tutorials at Kidzonline.org (hosted by Ian Dale, anybody has those wonderful tutorials?). Back then it was just to complement my 2d design skills (and for fun!) but later I used TS for professional work, not heavily since I mostly work in 2D but any need for 3d modeling was done in TS. All was done in version 3.2. I regularly browsed caligari forum and so I downloaded v. 7.x to be up to date. Unfortunately my brain can not adapt to the new way of things and to this date I keep using 3.2 as it is what I know and feel comfortable with, after all I spent years using it and as I mentioned I was trained with tutorials specifically for that version. I few months ago I was reading a history of TS and v. 4.3 is regarded as the most stable version while being very close in resemblance to 3.2. Is it crazy if I want to use it? Is it even crazier if v. 4.3 sounds more appealing to me than 7.6?
Don´t get me wrong. I tried Blender, 3d Max and Cinema 4D. They were left aside. Perhaps it is the lack of a proper plan of study or just the super easy and friendly interface of TS.
Now to the concise request: is there still a way to get TS v. 4.3 that works in windows 10?

That would be awesome, have a great day.

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hey welcome. Things were pretty still regarding UI until 6.6. In 7.6 there is "modeler side" which is still the old legacy UI, but it has more features. 3.2 is very historical and very basic and so is 4.3. If you like tS, try to make your way up. Its still the same principles, still the same workspace.

PS: show us what you did with tS, do you have some pictures to share?
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Use trueSpace 7 model side with bridge off and you have a similar ts 6.6 + hdri render.
No problem with windows 10.
If you have a 4k screen you need to use open gl. Direct X on model side can't work with this size.
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Thanks bitkar and marcel for the quick reply.
bitkar wrote: 06 Jan 2020, 08:49 hey welcome. Things were pretty still regarding UI until 6.6. In 7.6 there is "modeler side" which is still the old legacy UI, but it has more features.
I might give a try using 7.6 modeler side, but again..is there the proper instruction on how to use it? 3D is by nature complex to understand and learn. I downloaded some tutorials months ago but is hard to know what version it targets (those videos have no audio). I will share some experience: Several years ago I decided to switch to 3ds Max and even took a short course in an institute because I realised that to learn on my own would take longer. I got the hang of it and it was good. But there is no substitute for the ease of use of TS. I just keep coming to it, somehow those tutorials on version 3.2 were just so precise and basic at the same time that allowed me to understand easily. Teaching is the key word here I believe. I might have the latest and best 3D software but no proper training on how to use it makes it worthless. Of course it all depends on the needs and use.
bitkar wrote: 06 Jan 2020, 08:49 PS: show us what you did with tS, do you have some pictures to share?
I forgot to mention what I mostly use it for: Illustration (characters) and product design. Not animation or motion graphics involved. Just still images that I later incorporate in graphic design. I will search and share some images in my old laptop, that might take a few days though.
marcel wrote: 06 Jan 2020, 08:58 Use trueSpace 7 model side with bridge off and you have a similar ts 6.6 + hdri render.
No problem with windows 10.
If you have a 4k screen you need to use open gl. Direct X on model side can't work with this size.
ts 6.6, ts 7, ts 7.6. It all sounds confusing. Please take no offense, but it seems hard to understand the differences in all this. It might take a lot of time and effort before I can produce good results in learning what I see as a "new" software. I know it is not "new" but seems like it, it is not the TS I came to learn and love with little effort, that good it is.
I am not against progress or evolution or making thing better. However I am not totally into 3D in my everyday work so basic - intermediate tools are what I need to produce good looking results for clients.
For instance I have been working lately in some food related designs: tuna cans and coffe bags. I needed to generate realistic looking images. So I downloaded free 3d models, applied texture and easily rendered them with Keyshot. But at one point I could not find the models I was looking for. So I had to hire somebody to model them (in a basic way). I wanted to do that myself but I understand TS 3.2 is basic and limited somehow so I think version 4.3 has some other helpful tools.

I know I might sound like I am lazy for learning new stuff but it is not true. Two years ago I started learning code programming, it was hard but it paid off. I relied on good learning resources and that eases the learning curve.

Thanks both for your time.

BTW Marcel, I seriously love your artistic skills and your work with TS, unbelievable work.

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Not 7 sorry.
It is TS 7.6.
All you can see on my work is TS 7.6 with hdri.
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tS7.6 has a good technical documentation (help files). Its easy to learn how features work from that.

According to versions of tS. ... 6.6 was the last version of the oldschool that you know from 3.2. It is still the same ease of use. It works the same as 3.2. You can learn it and use it the same way you did with 3.2
About tS7.6 - it has new aspect - the Workspace, but there is also the Modeler side, which is still the same as 6.6 basically.

If you know 3.2 and want to get better in it, you can do it with 7.6 modeler the same way. You will just have a bit more to learn and more possibilities.
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Thanks for your patience.
bitkar wrote: 06 Jan 2020, 12:04 According to versions of tS. ... 6.6 was the last version of the oldschool that you know from 3.2. It is still the same ease of use. It works the same as 3.2. You can learn it and use it the same way you did with 3.2
Version 6.6 is still available? Or the only available is 7.6?

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If 7.6 modelside is an option, you can check out some tutorials here: http://truespace3d.free.fr/index.php/tutorials/
I have some collected on my website as well: http://clintons3d.com/tutorials/caligari.html and http://clintons3d.com/tutorials/gs3dbuzz/gamespace.htm
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clintonman wrote: 06 Jan 2020, 16:34 If 7.6 modelside is an option, you can check out some tutorials here: http://truespace3d.free.fr/index.php/tutorials/
I have some collected on my website as well: http://clintons3d.com/tutorials/caligari.html and http://clintons3d.com/tutorials/gs3dbuzz/gamespace.htm
Hi clintonman
It is of course an option, with the proper documentation and training it might just be what I need...on the other hand I must insist: downloading v. 4.3 or at least 6.6 is not an option anymore?

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daviz84 wrote: 06 Jan 2020, 17:10
clintonman wrote: 06 Jan 2020, 16:34 If 7.6 modelside is an option, you can check out some tutorials here: http://truespace3d.free.fr/index.php/tutorials/
I have some collected on my website as well: http://clintons3d.com/tutorials/caligari.html and http://clintons3d.com/tutorials/gs3dbuzz/gamespace.htm
Hi clintonman
It is of course an option, with the proper documentation and training it might just be what I need...on the other hand I must insist: downloading v. 4.3 or at least 6.6 is not an option anymore?

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Nope, no downloads available for those versions except maybe from some illegal sources and like some have said 7.6 modelside is very similar to 6.6
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I understand. So, i have been browsing the forum and from all the versions I suppose I could download 7.6 and turn bridge off so I focus on Modelside only, right?

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daviz84 wrote: 06 Jan 2020, 18:23 I understand. So, i have been browsing the forum and from all the versions I suppose I could download 7.6 and turn bridge off so I focus on Modelside only, right?

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Daviz,

You might want to catch up reading this from "First Light"
It will explain everything about trueSpace versions, requirements, history and logic behind the version changes etc.

viewtopic.php?t=2146
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Steinie wrote: 07 Jan 2020, 13:07 Daviz,

You might want to catch up reading this from "First Light"
It will explain everything about trueSpace versions, requirements, history and logic behind the version changes etc.

viewtopic.php?t=2146
Thanks Steinie!
Possibly this is the one: trueSpace 7.6
However the link is broken.

Also I found this in http://truespace3d.free.fr/index.php/truespace-7-6/.
I believe it refers to the same version.
I am downloading right now!

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David
I have been using TS 4.3 and will not use anything else. I started on TS since the 1st release. I have created I think very good
animations on YouTube and now I have some on Vimeo, if anyone wants to see what you can do with Ts 4.3 just do a search on YouTube
using the words 'Apollo 11 animation' I'm the 3rd or 4th thumb nail down, now with over 8 million views, don't anyone sell TS 4.3 short. Just
try to master the software you use.
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TSdiehard wrote: 08 Jan 2020, 03:22 David
I have been using TS 4.3 and will not use anything else. I started on TS since the 1st release. I have created I think very good
animations on YouTube and now I have some on Vimeo, if anyone wants to see what you can do with Ts 4.3 just do a search on YouTube
using the words 'Apollo 11 animation' I'm the 3rd or 4th thumb nail down, now with over 8 million views, don't anyone sell TS 4.3 short. Just
try to master the software you use.
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Wow Joaquim, so glad to hear that!!
I do not have version 4.3, actually I came to the forum asking for a way to download that exact version.

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use what you like... all we are saying is that 7.6 has more possibilities - like more renderers for example. Guys are working on Yafaray for tS. You can use HDRi, which is not in 4.3, etc. Yet the UI looks the same as 4.3 or you can easily customize it to look exactly like 4.3. I see no point in using old tS.
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Hi bitkar
Last night I opened v. 7.6 (downloaded from http://truespace3d.free.fr/index.php/truespace-7-6/ ) and was using Modeler tab. As you mentioned it works similar to older versions. I could not find a pdf manual, perhaps I should download it from another link?

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3dWorld magazine had a free copy of trueSpace 4.3 back around 1/2005.

I bet I still have the CD and magazine. However I did buy trueSpace 4.0 and then was notified about the two updates 4.2-4.3 later.
I always liked tS4.3 however there is so much more power in 7.6 Model side which is available to you for free! Most but (not all) of the bugs have been worked out. I happen to like trueSpace 7.61 (with the "Bridge" to new code) and use the best parts from each. Whatever will work for you.

Just my two cents.

http://www.flat2d.com/download/Truespace/tS76.exe

http://www.flat2d.com/download/Truespace/tS761B8.exe

http://www.flat2d.com/download/Truespace/tS761B8std.exe

http://www.flat2d.com/download/Truespace/tS76PDF.exe

http://www.flat2d.com/download/Truespace/tS76Video.exe
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Steinie you are right, the tool that works is what should be used. As simple as that.
I could have not learned 3D basic concepts without a proper teacher and good tools. Ian Dale amazing introductory courses and TS v. 3.2 were my gates to achieve my 3D needs. I learned some advanced topics such as animation, physics by watching integrated and interactive tutorials WITHIN TS. Could I have learned by just clicking around? I do not think so.
This is my second attempt (after so many years) at trying v. 7.6. The first and biggest barrier is learning the new tools and workflow. There is no Chm file Help or even pdf manual.
I believe 7.6 might be vastly superior to previous versions...to whoever needs that power, which is not my case ;--)
Thanks all for your input and advice

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daviz84 wrote: 08 Jan 2020, 15:07 There is no Chm file Help or even pdf manual.
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trueBlue you have provided a whealth of information, I am really grateful!! :bananathumb:

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bitkar wrote: 08 Jan 2020, 08:38 use what you like... all we are saying is that 7.6 has more possibilities - like more renderers for example. Guys are working on Yafaray for tS. You can use HDRi, which is not in 4.3, etc. Yet the UI looks the same as 4.3 or you can easily customize it to look exactly like 4.3. I see no point in using old tS.
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You must remember back then there were dozens of 3rd party plugins like bones, hair, and many others that could be used with that old version and also the
Pluspack1, Pluspack2, etc, which added even more functionality, and some of the best of them were incorperated into the 7.6 based program itself, and granted there are several things 7.6 does that the older versions do not, but in my case I found it difficult to relearn the newer interface, and also I would need a newer faster computer to keep up with the more robust software and heavier operating system, an added cost to me. I can whip along with fast renders on my old XP system. If you have the time to learn 7.6 and stick with it, you will create great things, as I said if you put in the time. Even with TS4.3 I will guess that I nearly had used half of its function even after many years.
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tS7.6 is made for WindowsXP. Also the UI is still the same, you can even customize it (i.e. delete new tools if that distracts you or move icons around), no need to relearn from what i remember. Most of the old plugins still work btw. The old tools are still there and works the same way. But its your choice.
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daviz84 wrote: 08 Jan 2020, 16:23 trueBlue you have provided a whealth of information, I am really grateful!! :bananathumb:

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So how is it going with your trueSpace installation?
Feel free to ask questions and post pictures! :D
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Sure! I was about to ask rendering.
Don´t know where to post really, in what section.

Here is the issue: Don´t render Vray
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Are you using the
tS76 Modelside Edition V2.1?
If so I am not familiar with that installation.
I do have Vray installed in tS76 and tS761 without any problems.
There is different versions for each.
You should have a VRay ReadMe.rtf and VRay.pdf file in your trueSpace directory and it shows you how to Install and Load the Vray_ts.rsx file in Workspace's Package Manager. Reboot trueSpace after you Load it.
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This is the version I am using: tS76G3.

You are right, there is a readme file for Vray but it seems for Workspace (attach image).
I have to say the duplicate icons for both sides (workspace and modelside) seems confusing.
I do not have the icon Package Manager.

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Looking at you previous picture, you will find the Package Manager in the bottom right toolbar.
With your left mouse button select and hold the (black icon - > C:\)
and select the Package Manager
Right click at the bottom of the text in the Package Manager and select Install New
Browse to find the Vray_ts.rsx in your trueSpace7.6 folder
Then Right click and select Load
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trueBlue thanks for your patience, I feel so dumb I didn´t understand the instructions in the readme file.

It works now. :bananacool2:

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