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3dvisuals dude · Post by **3dvisuals dude** » 07 Aug 2009, 04:17

Make cash 24/7 with trueServe?

Yeah, I for one think it can be done... read the following and see if you agree?

http://forums1.caligari.com/truespace/s ... ost&t=8700

In that thread is a freeware working server example to make the point clear.

Anyone wanna try and make this happen together with trueServe?

I hope so.

theuns · Post by **theuns** » 07 Aug 2009, 13:18

hey dude, will read the thread link and have a look, sounds like a kewl idea though...

Karthogen · Post by **Karthogen** » 07 Aug 2009, 13:39

The only problem I see with that, is the limitation of acquiring Trueserve in the future. If only someone with the program can view your gallery and no one can download the program anymore, then you are going to be seriously limiting your customer base.

v3rd3 · Post by **v3rd3** » 07 Aug 2009, 13:45

If I remember the license correctly you can legally distribute Trueplay as it was always intended to be freely distributable.

The intended business model was to have Trueplay distributed with the servers being something rented from Caligari.

@3dVisualsdude... if circumstances for TS moving forward change for the better I think Trueplay will be a significant part of a profitable business model.... I am involved in a lot of projects right now but I do have long term interest in using Trueplay/Trueserve.

theuns · Post by **theuns** » 07 Aug 2009, 15:05

Yip, truePlay is a free viewer, just like Adobe pdf viewer is free...

And now that they released the trueServe was also released for free, you can house scenes for free too...

3dvisuals dude · Post by **3dvisuals dude** » 08 Aug 2009, 02:56

Karthogen wrote:The only problem I see with that, is the limitation of acquiring Trueserve in the future. If only someone with the program can view your gallery and no one can download the program anymore, then you are going to be seriously limiting your customer base.

Yes, I agree. As pointed out correctly above *truePlay* the viewer application was always intended to be freely distributed as its license reflects, but "trueServe" is another matter altogether as you pointed out here. If one utilizes a trueServe server for a particular market with a significant usage bandwidth, one may have to utilize additional servers for additional markets, and I assume that even porting one download of trueServe from one computer (one owns) to another (one owns) outside the legal distribution channel (which may vanish any day now) is legally prohibited via the trueServe license.

So yeah, that is a valid perception. Also, all this software totally depends upon Microsoft's ongoing support of DX8 and DX9 rendering technology, which itself could vanish into obsolescence at any given point, rendering it all a risky venture at best.

But... all business has risks... and in the absence of immediately viable alternatives to a few of the many huge untapped global business opportunities which trueServe / truePlay represents... I still view it at least temporarily (a year or so) as a viable powerful delivery platform with tremendous appeal.

Point taken though.

3dvisuals dude · Post by **3dvisuals dude** » 08 Aug 2009, 03:25

v3rd3 wrote:If I remember the license correctly you can legally distribute Trueplay as it was always intended to be freely distributable.

The intended business model was to have Trueplay distributed with the servers being something rented from Caligari.

@3dVisualsdude... if circumstances for TS moving forward change for the better I think Trueplay will be a significant part of a profitable business model.... I am involved in a lot of projects right now but I do have long term interest in using Trueplay/Trueserve.

I have a more short term interest in the truePlay / trueServe combo as mentioned above, but I very much agree with you it's significance could become enormous with a modicum of focused team efforts in its Community development.

In the Caligari post which I linked to at the start of this thread, my intent was to clarify how such an extremely easy and feasible Global Sales Gallery can readily be set up and utilized NOW by ANY of us within either trueServe/truePlay or within the freeware environment I linked in that Caligari post.

Using such an environment in conjunction with a relatively inexpensive manufacturing / marketing/ global shipping service (in that case the Giclee House in Paris) for the realworld sales and dissemination of the 3D Digital Artwork we ALL produce already, I was hoping to clarify that trueServe and truePlay as they are now are already viable tools which we could all employ together or alone for genuine and perhaps substantial income with very little effort at all really.

In the freeware sample linked to in that Caligari post, there are severe limitations which trueServe / truePlay lack... user designed 3D galleries, bot script modifications such as AI introduction and database integration (for Bots who recognize and assist repeat visitors or VIP's for instance), and the import of custom user designed bot models as well... just to name a few.

Granted, the lens flares and realtime reflections in that software exceed the realtime rendering within trueServe / truePlay (so far), but a good tool is a good tool whether the most advanced tool or not.

I recognize that you see potential in all this just as I and several others of us here do, and perhaps now the whole "designing and scripting and marketing worlds" concept carries less of a "techie stigma" than it did back when I and many others here pushed hard back in 2007 to get the Community to embrace it all for their own good. I hope so. It does indeed offer the "significance" you referred to already, with only a modicum of team effort now standing in its way.

I develop on several platforms but would like to see the trueSpace / truePlay potential explored by the community more. If I do, I may turn again to focusing harder on this platform to the exclusion of others, but I simply don't have the time or money to invest full time effort in it again as I did in 2007, unless others joined in and together we made it immediately viable as an time investment each of us in the community could readily recoup financially in a very short time, whether as teams or as individuals, and frankly I prefer the latter.

Just thoughts so far I guess. Interesting ones though I believe.

3dvisuals dude · Post by **3dvisuals dude** » 08 Aug 2009, 03:28

theuns wrote:Yip, truePlay is a free viewer, just like Adobe pdf viewer is free...

And now that they released the trueServe was also released for free, you can house scenes for free too...

Yeah there is a lot of potential... connecting scenes as we once did where we could literally walk from scene to scene on our hard drives, or click port from within one server to another. These things we already developed and many more. Granted, some would have to be rewritten to bring them up to functionality with the new post-7.51 code, but I believe where there is a will there is always a way.

Experience has taught me that in this Community.

froo · Post by **froo** » 08 Aug 2009, 17:42

I have gotten trueServe running on my computer, and some other folks have connected. Just been awhile.
It is very easy to do. It's really cool to have your own trueServe for showing off products, experimenting,
and collaboration. The Collaborative aspect of trueSpace is new to the 3D world I suppose. However,
'collaboration' is becoming more of a buzzword around the general marketplace. I subscribe to Computer Graphics World,
and I have read quite a few articles fairly recently where 'collaboration' was discussed.

In any event, I like it and it works for me. And I think there are opportunities to be pursued with the technology.

splinters · Post by **splinters** » 09 Aug 2009, 15:10

I really must look into this. I have 10gb storage for buddyworld of which I am only using about a third. Could be interesting.

3dvisuals dude · Post by **3dvisuals dude** » 14 Aug 2009, 09:40

splinters wrote:I really must look into this. I have 10gb storage for buddyworld of which I am only using about a third. Could be interesting.

Good to see you Splinters!

Yeah I have thought many times about the potential of using trueServe / truePlay for various immersive multi-user projects for children, and I agree BuddyWorld could definitely be a good project to launch with this combo.

As Parva correctly pointed out though in the parallel thread to this one over at the Caligari forum, we still don't have any effective means of object or scene copy protection when using trueServe, and that is something to maybe give us pause with an existing commercial project like BuddyWorld. Still, you could always make a derivative world based loosely on the concept given that you are the Author, you would just have to stay mindful of the fact that others could utilize / copy any of your server based world content, at least the way trueServe is now anyway.

A few months ago I had an idea (and modeled it) based loosely on the "The Time Machine" movies that I would like to see scripted avatar climbing used with (picture below) and something like that seems possible now in trueSpace / trueServe, so maybe I will get around to it one of these days if I start to see some life start to emerge in the trueServe collaboration community.

Lots of potential I think for us all, and one idea leads to another rapidly.

Here's hoping something will come of all this soon!

ODwyerUnderworld_001final-sm.jpg

noko · Post by **noko** » 17 Aug 2009, 23:26

That image is cool looking 3dvisual dude. That would make some neat portals walking up to each hatch, it opens and one goes down to the next portal.

Speaking of truePlay, I thought tP 2 has issues with lines being shown on obects without ability to get rid of. maybe if scene has render attribute for each object this can be corrected. Will have to test, if not then tP is not a workable solution.

TomB talked about a way to protect encapsulated objects by getting rid of the orange triangle preventing object from being opened, not sure how one can modify the encapulator for this but protecting one work on trueServe is really needed. Another question is can trueServe lock the scene from editing? Would be sad having a trueServe site setup to come back and the scenes are destroyed or corrupted with bad stuff.

3dvisuals dude · Post by **3dvisuals dude** » 24 Aug 2009, 07:34

It's good talking to you guy... I have always been an admirer of your work and your creativity. You always struck me as someone who thinks outside the box as a rule, and that is contageously refreshing.

noko wrote:That image is cool looking 3dvisual dude. That would make some neat portals walking up to each hatch, it opens and one goes down to the next portal.

Yeah I have a few ideas for using scripts on this one which will be modular prototypes with numerous additional uses. An avatar proximity trigger (script component 1) which only lifts the lid if the lid is approached from an angle within a defined area wedge (as if seen from above)... will initiate a Fast Hard Short Counter-Clockwise Rotation Path (script component 2) for the turnstile wheel... which on execution initiates an Brief Audio Activator (script component 3) of a metallic "click" wave file... then the script initiates an Avatar Animation Control Sequence (script component 4) which takes control of the avatar from that point placing the avatar (as smoothly as possible) in position to climb down the ladder properly and then of course executes the climb (briefly resizing the avatar if need be to ensure accurate sequential appendage positioning on the ladder rungs) moving feet and hands properly for the climb... and additionally if practical add a Lid Closing Sequence (script component 5) which would then have the avatars hand reach up from inside to the underside turnstile wheel and appear to close it overhead in a fluid arcing motion while descending one more rung on the ladder beneath.

For me that is a pretty ambitious objective but I don't see it as undo-able at all, just a matter of dedicating the time to write it, which so far is the only hurdle.

noko wrote:Speaking of truePlay, I thought tP 2 has issues with lines being shown on obects without ability to get rid of. maybe if scene has render attribute for each object this can be corrected. Will have to test, if not then tP is not a workable solution.

Correct. I am taking that issue on first and I concur that it is definitely priority one in assessing the viability of proceeding any further at all in truePlay development.

I do believe this can be conquered simply. At this point I am just trying to get my head fully around all the possible things which could be causing it directly, but I believe the simple fast solution to the dillemma may in the end wind up being the utilization of a bat(ch) file which modifies specific existing xml files in the truePlay install folders. Working on *what to modify* let alone *how to modify* may take me months, LOL.

noko wrote:TomB talked about a way to protect encapsulated objects by getting rid of the orange triangle preventing object from being opened, not sure how one can modify the encapulator for this but protecting one work on trueServe is really needed. Another question is can trueServe lock the scene from editing? Would be sad having a trueServe site setup to come back and the scenes are destroyed or corrupted with bad stuff.

Yes I recall similar discussions with the devs. I have a different apprach in mind to scene and object security however, developing scripted means to exclude trueSpace from accessing specific online scenes in any fashion, requiring the would-be accessor to utilize truePlay or forego access atogether. I do plan to find or invent a way to make that happen in spite of the assurances of many that it simply cannot be done that way.

In the meantime... which will undoubtedly be months... I am still keeping my eyes peeled for non MS viable alternatives to truePlay and trueServe, I have learned the hard way not to put all my eggs in any one basket.

3dvisuals dude · Post by **3dvisuals dude** » 27 Aug 2009, 12:07

truePlay2.0B1 Default Wire Highlight Solution Steps

First off, thanks go out to Vladimir Sisolak for pointing us in the right direction here on this specific truePlay2.0B1 Default Wire Highlight Solution.

The truePlay2.0B1 Default Wire Highlight Problem:

When one opens any scene inside truePlay2.0B1 the default settings for object display are set incorrectly, unfortunately this was not corrected prior to the final release of this last truePlay version ( truePlay2.0B1 ) by Caligari/Microsoft.

Essentially, when one passes one's mouse cursor over an object one should not see the "Wire Highlight" of that object by default under normal circumstances, but in this last version that is unfortunately the case. This basically ruins the "immersiveness" of a scene, but this CAN be corrected.

The truePlay2.0B1 Default Wire Highlight Solution Steps:

****** NOTE THAT STEP 5 MUST BE PERFORMED BY A SCRIPTOR WHO UNDERSTANDS LINK EDITOR METHODOLOGY AND SCRIPTING BETTER THAN I DO *******

Step 1:

Open tS7.61, Open the Link Editor (LE), then using the orange triangle in the upper right corner, click twice. that should take you to an LE Level where you see an object in the LE called

"Preferences"

Step 2:

Click the orange triangle on the "Preferences" object titlebar (this opens the "Preferences"

level inside the LE.

Step 3:

Look for an object named "Desktop"

Notice, that at the bottom of that "Desktop" object are the words "Wire Highlight" followed by the word "Subobjects" and then an arrow for a dropdown menu to the right of that word.

Use that dropdown arrow and then left-click-select the word "none" from that dropdown menu

Step 4:

Depress your cursor arrow on the title bar (at the top) of the "Desktop" object, and while doing so depress the CTRL key on your keyboard and drag the "Desktop" object out of the link editor and into your "Objects Base" Library Stack window on the right of your screen (in the trueSpace default layout that is where that objects library is).

Step 5:

(I have not yet performed this Step, so your methodology may be different from what I envision for this step, but here are a few ways to do this)

Step 5 / Method 1:

Create a "TP_FIX" (or whatever you want to call it, lol) script object to be attached to:

A) a scene object (in which case you would use the LE Advanced Handlers to run the script automatically when the object is loaded into an already open truePlay scene)

or Step 5 / Method 2:

B) an avatar-clickable scripted scene object

or Step 5 / Method 3:

C) an avatar FPN proximity trigger

or Step 5 / Method 4:

D) a float panel (set to auto-load and auto-display inside truePlay)

You should store the Desktop node copy (from Step 4 above) inside the "TP_FIX" script object you are about to create.

This "TP_FIX" script object, when activated (by whatever method you decide), should perform the following specific tasks:

If there is already an existing "Desktop" object in the LE "Preferences" level, your script (when activated) must delete that existing "Desktop" object located there first, then it must copy the modified Desktop node from Step 4 above to that same "Preferences" level

Step 6:

Test it and if it works (which it should according to the lead truePlay programmer) pass it around far and wide and free, so we can all get truePlay / trueServe development rolling at last for all our sakes!

froo · Post by **froo** » 02 Oct 2009, 19:52

just bringing this to the top for easy reference.
I'm wondering if this is strictly a 'client side / trueplay user' issue,
or if it can be resolved on the 'server: trueServe' side, by setting up
the scene (portal) on the trueServe server. According to the
instructions here, we set the Desktop 'wire highlight' setting
in the Scene. Well, the Scene actually resides on a trueServe,
so it may be easier than we think. If not, the approaches you
suggest should be doable Mark. I am trying to get truePlay installed
right now; so I can't remember what the interface looks like. But
I don't think we can duplicate these steps in truePlay can we?
So it's gotta be a server-side issue. Unless the steps Vladimir
suggested can be performed 'behind the scenes' in truePlay, since
we don't have access to the entire scene graph structure with truePlay.

froo · Post by **froo** » 02 Oct 2009, 20:35

ok; spent a little time on this, but not at home.
Got trueserve and a shared space created, connected with trueplay.
I could not see anything except the ground with trueplay for some reason.
That's ok. I'll try again later at home.

froo · Post by **froo** » 02 Oct 2009, 23:29

I tried a couple things which did not work.
Modifying the Desktop Wire highlight in the trueServe panel did not work.
Other things, I tried, which are irrelevant.

The reason I tried working with the trueServe is because we do not have an LE in truePlay.
So, I assume then that, Vladimir is saying is, although we cannot *See* the upper graph layers
via truePlay, they are still accessible using truePlay. That was not clear initially, since it sounded
like trueSpace was used for all the steps.

I'll see if I can try this: create an encapsulator for this modified Desktop node,
and attach a jscript command inside the encapsulator as well. For a clickable object, I probably need to
add something like a sphere inside the encapsulator as well, and export the mesh, so it's 'clickable'.
Then the script can execute, deleting the old Desktop node in: /System/Preferences, (or: /Preferences for short I think)
like this:

Node.Delete('/Preferences/Desktop');

then:

Node.Copy(System.ThisOwner() + '/Desktop', '/Preferences');

maybe that can work with truePlay. If not, back to the drawing board.

3dvisuals dude · Post by **3dvisuals dude** » 03 Oct 2009, 10:52

Yes I believe you are correct according to Vlad's instructions.

first, if I followed him correctly you are right that the scene graph exists in trueplay but due to there not being a visible accessible LE in truePlay that fact is not immediately apparent. In other words, if I understand this right, I believe the upper levels of the scene (such as the preferences area and perhaps all the others normally existent in a trueSpace LE tree) do exist, but are created in real-time on demand, which is perhaps why their corresponding folder/directory structures are non-existent when one views the truePlay folders using Windows Explorer outside truePlay.

Also you are correct that the existing desktop preferences node must be deleted and replaced by the script in that order.

I agree, perhaps Vlad was suggesting these things be done in a scene which is then placed server-side to enable all truePlay accessors to trigger the object on arrival, whether manually or involuntarily via a proximity trigger. I do think that is what he meant.

Thanks for taking this on Jason, it means a great deal to everyone using trueSpace, whether they know that yet or not.... we know. ; )

froo · Post by **froo** » 03 Oct 2009, 12:13

working on it now.
should be straightforward.

But technically, we shouldn't *have* to delete the desktop node in the system/preferences area.
We can actually modify the selection of the dropdown box. I do that in the fluid sim package.
But, if this node delete/copy thing works, then we can get fancy.

3dvisuals dude · Post by **3dvisuals dude** » 03 Oct 2009, 12:19

froo wrote:working on it now.
should be straightforward.

But technically, we shouldn't *have* to delete the desktop node in the system/preferences area.
We can actually modify the selection of the dropdown box. I do that in the fluid sim package.
But, if this node delete/copy thing works, then we can get fancy.

Awesome news!

May the force be with you on this one, lol!

froo · Post by **froo** » 03 Oct 2009, 12:41

ok; I can copy the desktop, using * TrueSpace *.

System.ThisOwner() in a trigger does not work:

Activity.Run(System.ThisOwner() + '/dodostuff/jscriptCmd');

tS crashed. Just fyi; maybe I will try again later with that.

will report more...

EDIT: ADDED THIS STUFF; accidentally blew away the whole post

IT WORKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You can look into the RsObj to see what it looks like, how it works.

The Trigger 'Activate' script is:
Activate.Run(Space.CurrentScene() + '/Trigger_Desktop/jsc_DesktopCopy');

The script which is called by that line is the jsc_DesktopCopy jscript node.

It does this:

Node.Delete('/Preferences/Desktop');
Node.Copy(System.ThisOwner() + '/Desktop', '/Preferences');

the first line deletes the Desktop node from the System/Preferences encapsulator
the 2nd copies the Desktop node contained inside the trigger, to the System/Preferences encapsulator.

Note: trueserve just crashed, about 5 minutes after using that script. Coincidence? Maybe. Try it and see.

3dvisuals dude · Post by **3dvisuals dude** » 03 Oct 2009, 12:44

Thanks Jason... there's a lot riding on this one for sure.

3dvisuals dude · Post by **3dvisuals dude** » 03 Oct 2009, 13:06

froo wrote:IT WORKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You can look into the RsObj to see what it looks like, how it works.

The Trigger 'Activate' script is:
Activate.Run(Space.CurrentScene() + '/Trigger_Desktop/jsc_DesktopCopy');

The script which is called by that line is the jsc_DesktopCopy jscript node.

It does this:

Node.Delete('/Preferences/Desktop');
Node.Copy(System.ThisOwner() + '/Desktop', '/Preferences');

the first line deletes the Desktop node from the System/Preferences encapsulator
the 2nd copies the Desktop node contained inside the trigger, to the System/Preferences encapsulator.

Note: trueserve just crashed, about 5 minutes after using that script. Coincidence? Maybe. Try it and see.

AWESOME !!!!

Thanks for doing this, it was the one major obstacle to us all FINALLY being able to turn the free trueServe/truePlay combo into a moneymaking opportunity for every one of us here in this Community!!!

A non-crippled truePlay means that we can freely and legally and VIABLY deploy truePlay worldwide, offering it to a world of people who never heard of trueServe shared spaces, and in minutes they can be there inside our scenes ALONG WITH US, as we sell them on the potential of licensing the pre-created content we can ALL make for their usage and our profit!!!

Downloading now !

Thanks man!!! Bravo !!!!

froo · Post by **froo** » 03 Oct 2009, 13:12

Deleted; had to redo the trigger.
please redownload.

the deactivate part posts a system message. sorry!

EDIT #0: VERY IMPORTANT INSTRUCTIONS

1. start trueserve, and truespace
2. using truespace, connect to your server
3. from TRUESPACE (NOT TRUESERVE), add the trigger to the portal (scene) active on trueserve
4. Start trueplay, login to the portal, and run over the trigger

That sets things up.

In the future, the trigger needs to be saved as part of the portal so you don't have
to run those steps every time you restart your server.

EDIT:

This is just a trigger; now that we have confirmed it works, we can use other
methods. The issue, though not really a biggie, is, every time a user runs over
the trigger, the desktop node gets replaced. Every time.
So, other approaches that Mark suggested should be considered.

BTW I really never understood what the Advanced Handlers do. That sounds kinda vague.
Anyway, we have something that does work.

EDIT 2:
I can run trueserve locally, but need to get my router's ip address again so everyone else can come in.
Now, I forgot how to give my router's ip a Name, like: tpportal.caligari.com.

My server is called: FrooServe
My space is called: FrooSpace

hehe

EDIT 3:

This means we can also access other areas of the scene graph using the same approach, if necessary. Cool.

Guess I am Uber Geek! WooHoo!

froo · Post by **froo** » 03 Oct 2009, 13:34

Mark, please check your PM. thanks

3dvisuals dude · Post by **3dvisuals dude** » 03 Oct 2009, 13:38

Hmmm....

I have made several tests so far of both downloads, and neither is working in a simple trueSpace saved scene (not on trueServe) accessed by truePlay.

If this works in trueServe that is great, but if so I don't see why it won't also work on a simple trueSpace (7.61) scene on a local hard drive when loaded into truePlay.

Here is what i tested:

1) I loaded the defaulttP.rsscn file (the main scene loaded automatically by truePlay on start) into trueSpace 7.61, added the trigger (this was done repeatedly on different saved scene versions using both downloads and several methods) and just as is, saved it to a file named "defaulttP2.rsscn" then I exited trueSpace. Then I opened truePlay, loaded the defaulttP2 scene, and nothing was different... same wire highlight bug.

I used FPN, walked around in the scene to trigger the trigger, no change.

I clicked an object (as I always did before to spot the bug) then deselected it and swept my cursor over the globe.... at which time the same old wire highlighting bug was evident... the globe was not selected in the first place, so it's wire should not display when it is moused over after a selection of another object in the scene... that is the bug, and it is still there.

2) I tried various saved scene versions of both downloads, using modified triggers with "show automatically" or "run automatically" checked and saved. None worked to change the bug.

We need the scene bug eliminated on local drives as well as in trueServe hosted online scenes, because many of us will be sending example files to new potential clients for them to run truePlay and examine the files themselves alone using FPN inside truePlay offline.

Any ideas?

3dvisuals dude · Post by **3dvisuals dude** » 03 Oct 2009, 14:05

froo wrote:Mark, please check your PM. thanks

EXCELLENT !!!

Yes!

OK, I concur, this works PERFECTLY online in trueServe using truePlay !!!

Well done Jason !!!!!!!!!! WOOHOO !!!!!!!!!!!!!

Now I hafta make some offline tests with this but HELL YEAH, you tackled the issue perfectly !!!!!!

Man, what a VERY important little development THAT was for us all !!!!!

YeeeHaaa!!!!!!!!!!

3dvisuals dude · Post by **3dvisuals dude** » 03 Oct 2009, 14:19

It WORKS OFFLINE TOO ON LOCAL HARD DRIVE SCENES !!!WOOHOO!!!

WOW, I am so freekin happy about this I could shout off the rooftops!!!!

WELL DONE JASON !!!!!!!!!!!

THIS changes EvERYTHING for the better.... now we can all make serious cash from licensing our trueSpace workspace-side content for use in multi-user online shared spaces worldwide on FREE trueServe servers accessed by FREE truePlay viewers **WITHOUT the wire-highlighting bug that plagued truePlay before Jason accomplished this for us all !!!!

YEEHAAA!!!

LeonRegis · Post by **LeonRegis** » 03 Oct 2009, 14:22

Something good is happening, is a pity I don't know what.

Cya
PS: Then make a tutorial in a layman language

stan · Post by **stan** » 03 Oct 2009, 15:02

that works great.

here is a scene with no fpn and it works automaticly when scene opens

we need to be able to upload rsscn

3dvisuals dude · Post by **3dvisuals dude** » 03 Oct 2009, 15:40

stan wrote:that works great.

here is a scene with no fpn and it works automaticly when scene opens

we need to be able to upload rsscn

Awesome!!!! Thanks Stan !!!

Downloaded, tested and love it! Very elegant!

This is GREAT stuff here and I am DELIGHTED to see this finally happen!

Funny thing is now, all these new trueSpace users (new Users since roughly March of 2008) have never been in shared space and have no idea what an absolutely INCREDIBLE thing this is for us all and how much power it provides each of THEM now as well as us!

My next objective is getting the inter-scene trigger created by trueBlue and Asem to work with the new updated codebase of 7.6x... when we have that now we will be able to show all these new users how they can easily literally WALK from one scene on their computer to the next scene seamlessly, and then they will get a glinmpse of how truly astonishing all this technology is, that and when they go online with us all in a new trueServe hosted online multi-user scene!

For any new trueSpace users reading this.... these tools now enable you to take all your scenes you have created in trueSpace and SELL them as content or licensed content to folks worldwide who can then literally:

(1) walk around inside them

(2) play games inside them

(3) meet people in them worldwide (if you host the scenes online using the free and easy trueServe hosting software)

(4) the people they meet with can play games in realtime together with them

(5) you can set up pre-scripted objects we can provide you to have people meet you in your scenes and view images together which you each drag and drop to your scripted display objects online

(6) you can integrate your scenes with databases for many realtime applications

(7) you can view movies inside these scenes together

(8) you can add YOUR OWN AVATAR models and use them / share them / sell them

(9) very realistic human avatars will be usable (after a little more community development collaboration)

(10) there are many many already developed scripted objects and environments for these scenes, most of which are freely available

(11) Let this one sink in deep.....

As a trueSpace 3D Modeler who learns to use trueServe and truePlay and trueSpace together for multi-user online interactive scenes and worlds... YOU will be able to offer clients THE ONLY FREE combination of hosting software (trueServe) and FREE IMMERSIVE interactive viewing/experiencing sofware (truePlay) to run on their own computers worldwide, to offer to their employees and contacts and friends and clients places to meet from any point on the planet... inside YOUR scenes that you create and sell or license annually for use.

NO ONE can offer what YOU can offer now except the rest of us here who take the ball here and run with all this!

This.... is a BIG day for us all!!!

3dvisuals dude · Post by **3dvisuals dude** » 03 Oct 2009, 16:04

By the way....

any Stargate fans out there?

did you know we have working scripted and awesome Teleporters for truePlay and trueServe you can use online or in your own scenes at home?

we developed those way back in 2007, they need to have script modifications to make them updated to work in the newer trueSpace/trueServe/truePlay environments, but that shouldn't be too hard to do soon here.

You step into them and POOF you are exiting another one somewhere else in your scene... and there is even a version with multiple user-selectable destinations, and if memory serves me one that can port you from scene to scene as well, lol.

You new folks are in for some VERY COOL new surprises we were already used to over a year ago in Caligari Shared Spaces online, lol

Looks like new life just got breathed into this Community in a VERY big way today!

3dvisuals dude · Post by **3dvisuals dude** » 03 Oct 2009, 16:27

Hey trueBlue...

while you are here, is there any chance we might get that scene porting trigger updated for use in 7.6x ? the one you and Asem put together way back for walking from scene to scene?

trueBlue · Post by **trueBlue** » 03 Oct 2009, 16:40

Sure but I would need to see/visit a working trueServer.

3dvisuals dude · Post by **3dvisuals dude** » 03 Oct 2009, 16:42

trueBlue wrote:Sure but I would need to see/visit a working trueServer.

awesome thanks!!!!

That is one amazing script and I loved using it!

Maybe Jason or Stan can hook you up with trueServe for a test, I know they have it installed. Would love to join you all in there too for that test, so if they offer a server I hope they drop me a note, lol!

Thanks!

froo · Post by **froo** » 03 Oct 2009, 18:22

ok; start truePlay or trueSpace, and put this in the address bar:

//74.110.110.205/1109

That is the FrooServe, FrooSpace.

login as whatever you want. I am logged in as: j

because I am lazy right now.

I may not be online, but the server is up. I have a boatload of stuff to get done around the house, but take it for a spin!

Froo

LeonRegis · Post by **LeonRegis** » 03 Oct 2009, 18:35

How can I login froo?

froo · Post by **froo** » 03 Oct 2009, 18:43

ok.
in truespace, click the icon that looks like 2 eyeballs, in the lower right hand corner.

A dialog opens.

In the top textbox, enter:

//74.110.110.205/1109

then in the username/password textboxes,
enter whatever you want, like:

leon

regis

then click Login

LeonRegis · Post by **LeonRegis** » 03 Oct 2009, 18:56

Come on people, I'm having fun!

Thanks froo!
EDIT: Where are you guys, which server???

froo · Post by **froo** » 03 Oct 2009, 19:18

I lost my net connection. Rebooted, restarted server.

//74.110.110.205/1109

that's the room.

I think DHCP is enabled; so each time I reboot I get a different address.
That's why I need a DNS name for the router I think.

froo · Post by **froo** » 03 Oct 2009, 19:25

Got a little fan running in shared space now.
It's ok; but looks a little jerky.

3dvisuals dude · Post by **3dvisuals dude** » 03 Oct 2009, 20:08

Cool!

Can't stay very long today but I am on my way now thanks!

3dvisuals dude · Post by **3dvisuals dude** » 03 Oct 2009, 20:40

Come on in to shared space folks, a few of us are here now and the portal address is a couple of posts back in this thread!

3dvisuals dude · Post by **3dvisuals dude** » 03 Oct 2009, 22:30

Another reminder to come join us all in Froo's shared space now...

there are a few of us popping in and out now, and some collaborative modeling going on at the moment.

Leon and Patti and Paul Ashington Rayman, stan and froo and I

come on by folks, the instructions and portal address to enter are in an earlier post in this thread : )

3dvisuals dude · Post by **3dvisuals dude** » 03 Oct 2009, 23:07

server crash, looks like we have to wait for Jason to get back to reset the shared space : )

had fun though with everyone : ))

RAYMAN · Post by **RAYMAN** » 03 Oct 2009, 23:10

Was great to be back !
I realy loved those old times.
We have to make the a regular

3dvisuals dude · Post by **3dvisuals dude** » 03 Oct 2009, 23:19

RAYMAN wrote:Was great to be back !
I realy loved those old times.
We have to make the a regular

I completely agree : )))

carlpatti · Post by **carlpatti** » 04 Oct 2009, 00:05

thanks to everyone tonight for the enormous FUN! also thanks for helping me to understand some basics, leonregis for posting easy step by step to get into shared space - I know it is new for him also, 3dvisuals dude and j (?) for encouraging helping hands.
still not sure where i was or even what this can do for me but i think i am close to 3D paradise! i will read through the transcript from tonight's shared space and learn from the manual and forums and see what happens..
such great fun - enormous potential - many many thanks to Froo once again for making this happen for all of us!
patti

LeonRegis · Post by **LeonRegis** » 04 Oct 2009, 00:34

Whata Day! Great one... Many thanks Froo (the j at shared space), and others to provide a wonderful day! Really cool, if it becomes regular I'll be a member, be sure of that! Thanks Patti, but who provide the step by step was Froo.

Great and Remarkable Day!!!
Cya

noko · Post by **noko** » 04 Oct 2009, 08:13

Looks like I am too late tonight. GREAT NEWS all the same. I am not sure how to use script though. Do I attached it inside scene so when loaded into tP it prevents the object heighlighs?

3dvisuals dude · Post by **3dvisuals dude** » 04 Oct 2009, 08:33

noko wrote:Looks like I am too late tonight. GREAT NEWS all the same. I am not sure how to use script though. Do I attached it inside scene so when loaded into tP it prevents the object heighlighs?

Yeah I was hoping you might have made it by today in time for that, but another time will present itself soon I'm sure... we will all be doing lots more of this sort of thing, setting up new trueServe servers on the systems of many who drop in and love the experience!

As it is now Rayman will be setting a new one up and so will I, a dedicated one 24/7. : ) I plan to have a boatload of scenes in mine too that are awesome, plan to hook up the scenes with in-world links to other servers, teleporters that whisk you between rooms based on proximity to them, and much more. Big ideas, and plenty of enthusiasm to make them happen!

Setting up the Wire Highlight Bug Solution downloads (two in this thread posted first by Jason/Froo and the third by Stan.... varies based on which version you are using. The two from Jason demonstrate the original bug (when you load and enter the scene in trueplay you can see that if you immediately pass your mouse over the object ahead of you the wire highlighting bug is there still) until you then hit your FPN (first person navigation) icon in trueplay and walk over to the green sphere, which has a proximity trigger which loads and executes the script which solves the truePlay bug : ) Stan's version, the third, is the one which auto-loads and auto-executes the script in truePlay the instant the scene loads, without any use of a proximity trigger. : )

Either way, both work perfectly both in trueServe7.61 and in truePlay2.0B1 whether online or offline! : ))) Bug CONQUERED !!!!! WOOHOO!!!

Hope to see you getting into all this with us as time permits you to now!

And now, thanks to Jason, Vladimir, and Stan, you will be able to conduct truePlay tours of Ezekiel's Temple without any nasty wire highlights interfering with the awesome nuances of the experience! : )

Which reminds me....

"THANK'S GOD !!!"

3dvisuals dude · Post by **3dvisuals dude** » 04 Oct 2009, 08:50

carlpatti wrote:thanks to everyone tonight for the enormous FUN! also thanks for helping me to understand some basics, leonregis for posting easy step by step to get into shared space - I know it is new for him also, 3dvisuals dude and j (?) for encouraging helping hands.
still not sure where i was or even what this can do for me but i think i am close to 3D paradise! i will read through the transcript from tonight's shared space and learn from the manual and forums and see what happens..
such great fun - enormous potential - many many thanks to Froo once again for making this happen for all of us!
patti

It does my heart good to read this.... I hope to see many many many more people as happy with the vast potential of multi-user shared space all as you are today and as Leonregis is... shared space has so very much potential that it has hardly ever really been used in the past compared to it's future!

You see, many of us who were at the Caligari forums and used the Caligari "truePlace" shared spaces which used to be on the Caligari Server though 2007 only got a glimpse into what could be done with it all, and although that glimpse was fun and exciting at first, unfortunately the many things we asked Caligari to do with them went unheard for a very very long time. Caligari had it's own ideas on how to use them, and in all fairness did begin to finally permit users in the Community to do more and more with them toward the end, but when MS bought out Caligari, it was the death of the Caligari shared spaces, and Caligari had not released trueServe for us all to make our own shared spaces online until very recently in 2009.

In all that time, much of the Community enthusiasm for the potentials of shared space use and interactive new scripting (which the Community can still make just fine without Caligari) was lost in a sea of general depression and mistrust on the part of the Community toward Microsoft. The Community had bigger concerns than the survival of shared space, and that dragged on a very very long time.

Now, we can do it at long last. TrueServe, which used to lease at thousands of dollars a year has been made free, and truePlay2.0B1 which was designed specifically to work with it has finally (today) been fixed at long last.

The next hurdle is overcoming the general Community depression preventing many from allowing themselves yet again to become enthusiastic over ANY Caligari/Microsoft product... but I am confident that the contagious happiness and enthusiasm and vision of NEW shared space users... will motivate US ALL once again quite naturally into pulling together again as the global Community we truly are, and TOGETHER making the future of this Community very very bright and promising in truth. : )

...and the best part is, we really can't help but to have fun doing it all! : ))

3dvisuals dude · Post by **3dvisuals dude** » 04 Oct 2009, 08:54

leonregis wrote:Whata Day! Great one... Many thanks Froo (the j at shared space), and others to provide a wonderful day! Really cool, if it becomes regular I'll be a member, be sure of that! Thanks Patti, but who provide the step by step was Froo.

Great and Remarkable Day!!!
Cya

Sure was a great day and I am delighted that many of us got to share it together in shared space, it was lot's of fun, and "fun" is something I haven't had in quite some time this year.... I plan to from now on though, and Jason / Froo really made that possible for us all with the TruePlay Bug Fix as well as the shared space test of it together : )

Thanks to Jason... Great and Remarkable Day indeed!

Steinie · Post by **Steinie** » 04 Oct 2009, 11:07

I'm seeing post in lots of areas about Shared Space so I have two questions.
1) Do you want a dedicated area here like we did for tS6.6? (catagory heading "Shared Space" ?)
2) A question I have, did anyone fix the problem of keeping your objects or scenes protected
in shared space?

I'm more glad that Mark will stay with us then the fact they fixed a bug, but that is just me.

carlpatti · Post by **carlpatti** » 04 Oct 2009, 11:10

good morning all!!!!

i woke up with my head still spinning from last night's fun - simply amazing - i feel very very lucky to have been reading the forum at the right time yesterday when by chance, i read Froo's instructions for logging in to shared space. (yes leonregis - thanks for pointing out my mistake - not your instructions but YOU did ask the all important question HOW and so you really did help me get logged in -

)
i am being called to the kitchen for pancakes right now - i DO wish we could all share some. when i get back i have some learning to do.

any suggestions on where to start would be greatly appreciated!
boy-oh-boy, that sure was awesome fun!
patti

3dvisuals dude · Post by **3dvisuals dude** » 04 Oct 2009, 11:17

Steinie wrote:I'm seeing post in lots of areas about Shared Space so I have two questions.
1) Do you want a dedicated area here like we did for tS6.6? (catagory heading "Shared Space" ?)
2) A question I have, did anyone fix the problem of keeping your objects or scenes protected
in shared space?

I'm more glad that Mark will stay with us then the fact they fixed a bug, but that is just me.

Thanks Bob, I am glad I am able to stay now too! : )

That may be a very good idea on a Shared Space section of the forum here, I was starting to get self conscious about all my related posts all over in here, lol! : )

As for scene and object protection methods, the short answer is "not yet but there will be ways." It is going to take some concerted collaborative effort to do that, but we all agree it is important and a priority to accomplish that. There has been some discussion about doing so through two methods, one being encapsulation of objects with unusual new permissions attributes included, and another approach utilizing scene permissions. One way or another, the will is there to do it, the community agrees on it's importance, and the skill to do it exists among us, so I am confident we will conquer that beast soon. : )

Great days ahead for this Community here now!

also maybe we may find a way to use Vladimir's iOptDetectors coding to place a realtime camera viewer in a web page here that shows whether there is activity in any dedicated shared space servers in realtime. He has the code completed to do that and available free now at his site. Another possibility is using Jason's database integration experience and talent to actually indicate in a realtime web tally who is online where is various shared spaces in realtime. I used to hate stumbling through 10 "truePlaces" just to *maybe* find someone in there to talk with, lol. No need for that now, we can beat that issue too now! : )

3dvisuals dude · Post by **3dvisuals dude** » 04 Oct 2009, 11:19

carlpatti wrote:good morning all!!!!
i woke up with my head still spinning from last night's fun - simply amazing - i feel very very lucky to have been reading the forum at the right time yesterday when by chance, i read Froo's instructions for logging in to shared space. (yes leonregis - thanks for pointing out my mistake - not your instructions but YOU did ask the all important question HOW and so you really did help me get logged in - )
i am being called to the kitchen for pancakes right now - i DO wish we could all share some. when i get back i have some learning to do.
any suggestions on where to start would be greatly appreciated!
boy-oh-boy, that sure was awesome fun!
patti

Hehehe!
Sure, I will be here a while this morning, I will point you to some existing threads on the old forum to help you get up to speed on shared space : )

Welcome to your future Patti! : )

Steinie · Post by **Steinie** » 04 Oct 2009, 11:29

Is this the appropriate title for this new catagory? "Shared Space" or something else?
You guys can use the new catagory to announce meetings, settings, problems, etc.

3dvisuals dude · Post by **3dvisuals dude** » 04 Oct 2009, 11:33

Steinie wrote:Is this the appropriate title for this new catagory? "Shared Space" or something else?
You guys can use the new catagory to announce meetings, settings, problems, etc.

Hmmm good question... I dunno

How about "Our Shared Space Community" ?

kind of implies it being born of this forum, which it really is... and the basis for it all really is about "community"

but whatever you decide is fine by me and thanks!

: )

3dvisuals dude · Post by **3dvisuals dude** » 04 Oct 2009, 11:42

Patti...

since there are many folks who will probably be looking for the same info over the next few months, I am going to post a list of recommended threads here in a few posts.

Unfortunately though, the Caligari forum will cease to exist any day now, so I recommend saving these thread pages to disk somewhere for future reference. One day people will be asking you the same questions, because by that time you will be a "shared space expert" in their eyes!

Here are a few for starters, I will add more soon : )

http://forums1.caligari.com/truespace/s ... php?t=8560"

http://forums1.caligari.com/truespace/s ... php?t=4459"

http://forums1.caligari.com/truespace/s ... php?t=8542"

http://forums1.caligari.com/truespace/s ... php?t=3848"

http://forums1.caligari.com/truespace/s ... php?t=3454"

http://forums1.caligari.com/truespace/s ... php?t=3425"

3dvisuals dude · Post by **3dvisuals dude** » 04 Oct 2009, 12:04

Here's some more related links, some of which are resources for related downloads : )

Note: Steinie just made a special new area here at our forums called "Our Shared Space Community" and he *may* move the related threads like this one there, I am not sure. But whether he does or not, let's keep all our "shared space" related messages in the new dedicated area as much as possible, so feel free to ask any related questions there in a new post or thread anytime, I have a feeling that new area will be filling up fast with new threads and posts from all of us soon!

Great times these!

carlpatti · Post by **carlpatti** » 04 Oct 2009, 21:31

thanks 3dvisuals dude! TOTALLY FANTASTIC response to my request for direction and help!!! i have been busy all day and never did stick to my plan of reading and learning (although the pancakes were splendid) - i am off now to start gathering info from the links you listed.
thanks also for the insight into some of the history and politics involved.

the general depression you described is now officially OVER! happiness and enthusiasm ARE contagious and no immunizations are available... we will have to learn to live with this new found happiness by holding virtual hands in shared space - grouches are more than welcome, of course, but even they might take their shoes off at the door.

seriously, this (almost) new forum and, thanks to Steinie

, the special new area called "Our Shared Space Community" is presenting a unique opportunity to define what this community would like to be - it's a BIG 3D world in our shared space and we can all enjoy the fact that TrueSpace is now FINALLY OurSpace!

i'm off to read and save the links you listed for me before they are history - anyone else interested should do the same... i'm sure the info is invaluable ...

i am so-o-o-o happy,
patti

3dvisuals dude · Post by **3dvisuals dude** » 05 Oct 2009, 10:35

carlpatti wrote:thanks 3dvisuals dude! TOTALLY FANTASTIC response to my request for direction and help!!! i have been busy all day and never did stick to my plan of reading and learning (although the pancakes were splendid) - i am off now to start gathering info from the links you listed.
thanks also for the insight into some of the history and politics involved.

the general depression you described is now officially OVER! happiness and enthusiasm ARE contagious and no immunizations are available... we will have to learn to live with this new found happiness by holding virtual hands in shared space - grouches are more than welcome, of course, but even they might take their shoes off at the door.

seriously, this (almost) new forum and, thanks to Steinie , the special new area called "Our Shared Space Community" is presenting a unique opportunity to define what this community would like to be - it's a BIG 3D world in our shared space and we can all enjoy the fact that TrueSpace is now FINALLY OurSpace!

i'm off to read and save the links you listed for me before they are history - anyone else interested should do the same... i'm sure the info is invaluable ...

i am so-o-o-o happy,
patti

I absolutely LOVE that term you just coined there "TrueSpace is now FINALLY OurSpace!"

I love it so much in fact, that I think we should officially turn that into a Community Shared Space Collaboration Project," let's design and build "OurSpace" together... all of us, a set of interconnected scenes, as many as we like, they can be placed on different servers and connected all over the globe if we like too!

For now let's call it "The OurSpace Project !"

It may take weeks, perhaps months, but if we stay focused on it in addition to doing all the other focused tasks we have ahead of us (such as converting some of the old scripted shared space objects and scenes to new script which works with the new trueServe version) we can make our own truly Community-Made collaborative shared space "world" comprised of MANY interactive shared space scenes on MANY servers interconnected worldwide!

Sound good to you?

froo · Post by **froo** » 05 Oct 2009, 18:57

Ah yes.
I remember now.
The jsc_DesktopCopy script has its properties set to:

Run Automatically

3dvisuals dude · Post by **3dvisuals dude** » 05 Oct 2009, 21:16

froo wrote:Ah yes.
I remember now.
The jsc_DesktopCopy script has its properties set to:

Run Automatically

?!?!?

Popped this in the wrong thread Froo?

noko · Post by **noko** » 05 Oct 2009, 23:46

OurSpace sounds absolutely perfect to me and catchy. It conveys sharing, ownership and easy to remember.

froo · Post by **froo** » 06 Oct 2009, 01:34

3dvisuals dude wrote:
froo wrote:Ah yes.
I remember now.
The jsc_DesktopCopy script has its properties set to:

Run Automatically

?!?!?

Popped this in the wrong thread Froo?

oops just didn't quote stan's post with his scene in it.
In his scene, in which the 'desktop copy' script runs automatically, the script has a property. it is Toggleable,
between: Run Automatically
and
Do not run automatically

sorry about that.

3dvisuals dude · Post by **3dvisuals dude** » 06 Oct 2009, 12:36

froo wrote:
3dvisuals dude wrote:
froo wrote:Ah yes.
I remember now.
The jsc_DesktopCopy script has its properties set to:

Run Automatically

?!?!?

Popped this in the wrong thread Froo?
oops just didn't quote stan's post with his scene in it.
In his scene, in which the 'desktop copy' script runs automatically, the script has a property. it is Toggleable,
between: Run Automatically
and
Do not run automatically

sorry about that.

oh ok cool! lol

sorry, i just didn't follow without that part!

trueBlue · Post by **trueBlue** » 06 Oct 2009, 21:30

Here is different script version that replaces the truePlay2 corrupted Desktop panel.
The only difference from the original script is you have the option to Cancel.
Just include the included truePlay2 Desktop.RsObj within your scene and it will Show but not Run automatically for truePlay2 users. It will not be Shown for trueSpace76.1 users except in the Link Editor.

froo · Post by **froo** » 06 Oct 2009, 22:21

Sweeeeet trueBlue. I added it to port 1109. Works fine in truePlay.

3dvisuals dude · Post by **3dvisuals dude** » 07 Oct 2009, 12:40

trueBlue wrote:Here is different script version that replaces the truePlay2 corrupted Desktop panel.
The only difference from the original script is you have the option to Cancel.
Just include the included truePlay2 Desktop.RsObj within your scene and it will Show but not Run automatically for truePlay2 users. It will not be Shown for trueSpace76.1 users except in the Link Editor.

Awesome trueBlue thank you !!!

3dvisuals dude · Post by **3dvisuals dude** » 08 Oct 2009, 14:31

Getting set up now to start making some serious income from all this.... here's a clue where I am headed with it all (while I am not busy developing and having fun with it all that is!) in the next couple of weeks.

I have the content to pop people in customized scenes in one day flat, if they can set up the server that fast they are golden in one day flat, and my details would specify that prior to purchases of course, lol.

this is for fast income, after it takes off I intend to license my content at a much larger rate per annum.

Thought I would toss this in here, this is the right topic thread for it all, what you see below is for an inspirational "nudge" to others, we can all make a better income from 3D with what we have than we are likely to working for anyone else in the industry, as for me, as you can see I plan to go for it full bore.

I also have two domains and a forum almost ready for all this now, but they will be closed till the day I launch this.

NOTE: Be sure to click through to the larger version, it looks terrible minimized. The full sized version looks great on black though, unfortunately clicking through places it on white, but if you save it to disk and open it in a paint program with a black background you will see it's fairly good that way.

The grunge look was intentional due to where I will be using this particular ad online, lol, not all my ads would look like this at all.

tylerzambori · Post by **tylerzambori** » 08 Oct 2009, 15:16

Oh, I think I'm starting to understand....you want to offer an improvement over
2D web pages? Is this content pre-made or custom-made?

The reason I ask is that people looking to get a "web page" or "web
presence" made for their company, are pretty much looking for custom-made
content. I have friends and family who are in that business, so I know
a tiny bit about it.

3dvisuals dude · Post by **3dvisuals dude** » 08 Oct 2009, 15:26

tylerzambori wrote:Oh, I think I'm starting to understand....you want to offer an improvement over
2D web pages? Is this content pre-made or custom-made?

The reason I ask is that people looking to get a "web page" or "web
presence" made for their company, are pretty much looking for custom-made
content. I have friends and family who are in that business, so I know
a tiny bit about it.

In my case I have tons of premade content ready to rock, but the day i actually go "live" with this business plan will be after we resolve various vital technical issues, not the least of which is realistic avatars which are customizable. also the avatar clothing system, and avatar "emotes".... animations for various avatar movements and gestures and activities, ie: dancing, sitting, shaking hands, waving hello, walking on surfaces, etc.

The enhancement of 2d sites is only one market, there are millions of markets, many huge like that one is!

It's a big world out there, and we have something no one else has to market in it except at rates we can blow away!

3dvisuals dude · Post by **3dvisuals dude** » 08 Oct 2009, 15:39

As for "custom" content, each scene would be customized based on the needs of the client in realtime while they are standing inside it prior to the sale. So yes, it would all be "custom" in that sense, and even though it is in this case a one-time sale, the content would in fact be licensed for use, not transferred for resale at all.

3dvisuals dude · Post by **3dvisuals dude** » 08 Oct 2009, 16:00

Here is a variation on that ad above with a screenshot in it of an actual "3d world" i created for use in shared space... we all met inside this one at the Caligari server one night for a meeting in fact. Anyone recall the live shark we had in that pool? lol

tylerzambori · Post by **tylerzambori** » 08 Oct 2009, 18:46

Er....it might be a little more straightforward to say
*lease* your own online 3d world........but that's
just my opinion......

Well, good luck with it......best wishes.

3dvisuals dude · Post by **3dvisuals dude** » 08 Oct 2009, 22:40

tylerzambori wrote:Er....it might be a little more straightforward to say
*lease* your own online 3d world........but that's
just my opinion......

Well, good luck with it......best wishes.

Actually no, not until I start leasing them.

What you see here is a one-time (up front) sale (per buyer/host) of custom content usage rights, a usage restricted license. There is no renewal fee, nor is their any maintenance on my part included free, so this is not a lease at all, it is not a renewable contract nor a recurring fee.

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